william morgan

[maisiemiller]

Valda  Ive just looked on Ancestry and found that william morgan was born in charlton kent after all that

[Valda]

I think since the 1861 census is a confused entry and Leonard's birth doesn't appear to have been registered as Leonard Charles, you really need to obtain the information from Leonard's marriage certificate to be sure the 'Leonard G' aged 9 (son to the unmarried William Morgan the lodger - though the relationship on censuses should be to the head of household) is the same person as your Leonard Charles and that on his marriage his father's name is given as William and his occupation a ropemaker.

If you are not sure his name was Leonard Charles but Leonard George this seems the likely birth registration for the Leonard G of the 1861 census.

Births Jun 1852   
Morgan  Lonard George     Rotherhithe  1d 442

this could be a mistranscription from the actual GRO index as this entry is taken from FreeBMD

Regards

Valda

[maisiemiller]

Hi Valda

Have just received the birth certificate of Leonard George Morgan dated 28 February 1852 at 2 St Annes Terrace Rectors Island Rotherhithe.  His father was William Morgan, ropemaker and his mother was Elizabeth Jane Froud.  Going by the census information Elizabeth came from Plymouth Devon, but I have checked IGI and Free BDM and havent found her.

Maisie

[Valda]

The IGI's only coverage of Plymouth Anglican parish registers is St Andrews 1581-1633.

Distraught people at close family member's deaths in the C19th did not always register the death in the full names of the person concerned. People often didn't marry using their full names and of course not everyone did in fact get married, or if they did married in their maiden names, if for instance they had been married before.

A possible death registration

Deaths Jun 1858 
Morgan  Elizabeth     Rotherhithe  1d 337

Regards

Valda

[maisiemiller]

Valda  Thanks for the death registration.  That fits in with Leonard and William being together in the 1861 census, but I cannot find Elizabeth Jane Frouds birth anywhere.  I have covered Plymouth and most of the London area and Greenwich where her first two boys William S and Walter S were born in 1846 and 1849 but still nothing.

Maisie

[Valda]

Elizabeth was born circa 1824, before civil registration so you are saying you have searched all the Plymouth parish registers, which for the Anglican churches would be

St Andrew
S Budeaux
Charles
Egg Buckland
St George East Stonehouse
Stoke Damerel Devonport

http://tinyurl.com/2ocudq

These are the churches in the outer area of Plymouth

http://tinyurl.com/2ol47h

and these are the surviving non-conformist registers

http://tinyurl.com/2srntu

http://tinyurl.com/35434o

For someone born before civil registration 1st July 1837 you would only be able to find a baptism (which may or may not give a birthdate) not a birth certificate.

If she married in the name Froud then there should be a marriage entry in the civil registration for her, but not everyone did get married and the GRO index is not a perfect index by any means.

This baptism at Greenwich would seem to indicate a marriage may not have taken place which might indicate either William or Elizabeth may not have been legally able to marry because of a prior marriage or else they simply did not choose to.

SYDNEY WILLIAM MORGAN FROUD
Christening:  27 FEB 1846   St Alphage, Greenwich, Kent
Father:  WILLIAM FROUD 
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

I think Walter's middle name was probably John.

Deaths Sep 1854 
Morgan  Walter John     Rotherhithe  1d 827

St Mary's Rotherhithe registers are not on the IGI which is the most likely parish register to search for the baptisms of the other two known children. Those registers are held at the London Metropolitan Archives. It doesn't appear either Sydney William/William Sydney or Walter John's births were registered either as Morgan or Froud.

Regards

Valda