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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 25 October 08 22:11 BST (UK) »
richsher, You cannot imagine how thrilled I am at this news. You have given me Eliza's Maiden name of which I've been perplexed for some time. I have trawled through Ancestry.Co.UK for months. Finding Edward was a gift. I had been shuffling around in the dark for ages. The surname Berk's became a slight problem as I had sent for the death cert for her son, Frederick (My GGrandfather.) she was present at his demise.Sadly, I couldn't;t understand the writing and only presumed Berk's was the surname.

So, if Eliza was your great Aunt, did she have a sister or brother?.

This has fueled me into searching for her parents.
Thank you so much.

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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 25 October 08 23:27 BST (UK) »
Hi, I hope you don't confused too much by your new family! Most of the information comes from the censuses, so here it goes:

Eliza's parents were John Ball (1792-1883) and Anne (1790-1871). Anne was born in Bradley, near Ashbourne. John, I believe, was born in Sudbury (but the censuses sometimes show Birmingham). He was a soldier, possibly in the 76th foot regiment. They lived in the Sudbury area, around Potter Somersall and Marston Montgomery.

Eliza had 9 brothers and sisters. Charlotte b1815 (married Edward Mellor); Maria b1817; Samuel b1821 (my Great Great Grandfather and married Rachel Wallis); Caroline b1823; Charles b1824; William b1829; Maria b1831 (married George Whiting); Simeon b1832 and Agnes b1833 (married Arthur Kirkland).

I don't know if you know about Frederick's brothers and sister, (apologies if you know already):

Frances b1837 (was a servant for Thomas Oliver in Bollington near Macclesfield in 1861); George b1839 and William b1843 (he married Caroline Beckwith in 1866 and died in 1891.

Hope this helps you along the way.

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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 25 October 08 23:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you. This is all so amazing. I will research the places offered, and everyone concerned.
Can't thank you enough.

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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 23 November 08 23:24 GMT (UK) »
Thank you again for so much info regarding Eliza Ball & Edward Hollis. Do you by chance know what the parents of Edward were called? up to now, It has been suggested they maybe "Richard Hollis &Sarah Evans, married 1809.
Again, many thanks


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« Reply #13 on: Monday 24 November 08 21:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi franpow

I don't live far from woods lane and often go to the Sainburys shop round the corner, so am happy to go and take a photo for you. I'm assuming it's this Woods Lane?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4SUNA_enGB288GB288&q=woods+lane+derby&um=1&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

Just let me know exactly what you want and I will take it for you within the next week.

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 25 November 08 21:46 GMT (UK) »
Sorry I haven't replied earlier, life's been a bit hectic. I haven't been able to find where Edward was born. The 1841 census states he wasn't born in Staffordshire. (Eliza and Edward were living in Uttoxeter). I've checked the IGI but there seems a black hole around 1811, when I think Edward was born. However, there was a Richard Hollis and Sarah who had their children baptised at Sudbury - Anne 1812, Mary Anne 9/5/1814, Thomas 22/3/1818 and Henry 4/6/1820. I couldn't find any mention of Edward in the records for Doveridge and Somersal Herbert, which are neighbouring parishes.

Hope this may help,

richsher

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« Reply #15 on: Friday 06 February 09 13:08 GMT (UK) »
I am aware of the companie owned by W.E Burrows, from what i can tell he was one of the first people in derby to bottle mineral water. He also made ginger beer, soda water, and posibley invented iron brew toward the end of his career. His company was originally located on Cherry Street in 1850 and later moved around 1877. (Cherry street no longer exists due to the new railway line (which also no longer exists), Cheery street used to run parrallel to Lodge lane, near 5 Lamps).  The company then moved to Stockbrook street and was called ''Spar Mills'' around 1895. The company later moved again. I would assume that your grandfarther may have worked for this company which turned into Burrows and Sturges. It might be worth seeing if you can find any information regarding the company and its employers, do not know if it exists.

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 06 February 09 16:31 GMT (UK) »
Nicolson, thank you for an interesting idea. I will do as you suggest.

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« Reply #17 on: Friday 01 April 11 00:57 BST (UK) »
I have no family interest, but the Gingerbeer heading sparked my attention while searching for my Derbyshire connections!

I think your delusions of grandeur are not delusions!   :o

As a point of interest, it struck me that:

Frederick was possibly already in business as a Confectioner.
His trade was a baker.
Traditional Gingerbeer is made from water, sugar, ground ginger and...  bakers' yeast!  (And could be very alcoholic!)

It seems likely to me that Frederick began making Gingerbeer as a sideline, which became very popular locally.   

He probably formed a symbiotic relationship with W.E.B - using Burrows' Spa Water for his beer at 12-16 Woods Lane.

My own family were Lace Manufacturers, down the road in Long Eaton, and in the censuses the enumerators often used lace maker and lace worker interchangeably as terms for unspecified workers in the lace industry.  The term lace manufacturer was only used for company owners or directors.

Similarly, a Gingerbeer Manufacturer would almost certainly have been an owner or director.    ;D

Finally, Fred was living by independent means when his son married, which means that he was not an employee - and certainly not labouring!  All this before he died at 36!  Maybe he sold out to B&S, made a fortune, and retired to the pub he bought

Did the censuses state if he had employees?

Perhaps he was a partner or director in Burrows' business, running the Gingerbeer production?

So feel as grand as you like,  ;) and check for Frederick's name in the National Archives, Derby records and the University of Nottingham archives for any business records they may have!

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