Hi Everyone, anybody out there know anything about Ireland?

[Bobbieh]

Hello Everyone, I have just joined this board and am hoping someone will be kind enough to give me a little advice 
I am tracing the name Hyndman/Hindman who went to NZ from Ireland and then came to England.  I have got past what I thought would be the hardest bit because of distance, that is the New Zealand section.  Now I am finding the Irish bit really tough.
The furthest back I go (these details were given to be by the NZ rellies) is a John Hyndman born about 1800 in Culreahy (now called Killyclogher) and married to a Mary Hunter in approx 1825.  This is before formal registration as far as I know and I can find no record of any protestant church actually in the village. 
My daughter and I are going over there for four days on the 21st of this month and I am hoping that someone on here may have some idea of where we could look for possible church records, headstones etc
I hope that someone on here may be able to help .. maybe even be a relative who knows?

[MarieC]

Hello bobbieh,

And welcome to Rootschat!

Ireland really IS tough, you are not wrong, because there is so little on the Internet and so much has been destroyed! 

You would do better to post on one of the Ireland boards on this site.  Go to Ireland and have a good look around the boards there, then post on the one you think is most appropriate.  Someone there will try to help you.

Yes, what you are looking for is well before civil registration in Ireland, which from memory began in the 1850s.

Good luck,

MarieC

[Christopher]

Hi bobbieh,

Welcome to RootsChat.

Don't worry about there not being a protestant church in the village as it is only 2.1 miles from Omagh where I would expect that your ancestors attended church.

There's a book by William J. McGrew who is a member of the Omagh Branch of the North of Ireland Family History Society. The Omagh branch published "Tombstones of the Omey, County Tyrone" in 1998. It contains inscriptions from tombstones located in fifteen church graveyards within the Omagh District from 1688–1900.

The Headquarters of the Western Education and Library Board are located at Library Headquarters, Spillars Place, Omagh. County Tyrone BT78 1HL Click here for further details ... e-mail address, opening hours and phone number. 

Christopher

[aghadowey]

Hope you will enjoy you visit to Ireland but at the moment it's cold and wet.
Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages began 1864 (from 1845 for Protestant marriages).
For earlier research you need to know the family's religion (not just Protestant) and where they lived in order to find church records (if they still exist).
Many early gravestones don't survive (if there was even one in the first place) and also keep in mind that many Presbyterians are buried in Church of Ireland graveyards (and not always recorded in the burial register) so don't assume your relatives were C.of I. if you find them in the local Parish graveyard.

Church of Ireland website:
www.ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=information.dioceses
Note: there is a Cappagh Parish Church

Presbyterian:
www.presbyterianireland.org

Of course there were also Methodists, Congregationalists, Baptists, Quakers, etc. in Ireland.

Killyclogher is the name of a townland (300 acres). Barony- Strabane Upper. Civil Parish- Cappagh. Poor law Union- Omagh. See www.thecore.com/seanruad to find townlands and parishes.

[Bobbieh]

Thank you all for your help so far.  It is sounding more and more daunting by the minute!  I have a horrid feeling that we are going to get out there and add absolutely nothing to the search  .  Oh well it will be a nice break I am sure and we will go to Cappagh parish church just in case.
hanks for the links to the church sites, as you say I am sure that we were church of Ireland but to be fair I have no proof to pin that assumption on so we could have been anything 
Thanks again and if anyone has any further ideas I will be eternally grateful 

[Christopher]

Hello Bobbieh,

I wonder if this guy "James Hyndman - Glasgow-Strabane volunteer", a member of the International Brigade who died, defending a bridge in Spain, during the Spanish Civil War might be related to your Hyndman family.

Christopher

[Bobbieh]

Thanks Christopher, I am not sure if he connects to me but I really hope so ... will try and sort him out.
Can anyone tell me if they now of any of these places, do they still exist or have they been incorporated into other larger towns and cities.  I am looking for Billybuck, Mountjoy East (which I get the impression may be near the border) Lisonelly and Shanghrey?
Sorry to be a bit of a nuisance but I really would appreciate some idea of location etc :-]

[Christopher]

Hi Bobbieh,

Have a look at www.thecore.com/seanruad I think Mountjoy East may be Mountjoy Forest East Div. in Co. Tyrone and Lisonelly is possibly Lisoneill in Co. Fermanagh. There's a Ballybuck North and a Ballybuck South in Co. Galway. Co. Wexford has a place called Ballybuckley.
Shanreagh in Co. Londonderry may be the Shanghrey that you mention.

Christopher

[Bobbieh]

Thanks Christopher    I have just been looking at a map of Townlands in Cappagh parish and have found that just between Omagh and Mountjoy Forest East is an area Lisanelly  which is pretty much what I was looking for    I also think I have another idea .. my relative said in the original research that they could not read the writing properly but assumed the place they were reading was Shanghray .. I wonder if it could have been Staughroy which is along side Lisanelly, I mean would these people have moved very far from their roots unless they had to (e.g by emigrating) 
I still cant locate a Billybuck anywhere locally but maybe someone local can throw some light on it next week.
Thanks again Christopher