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Re: NEWLYN "brickwall" in East London
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 May 05 17:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Paul

Thanks for thinking of me  :D  I found that too but can't find the mother though  ::)

I am also wondering if this Mary SHATT age 1 is the Mary NEWLYN who appears in 1871 age 11 ................. heaven forbid ..............  ::)

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Re: NEWLYN "brickwall" in East London
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 19 May 05 22:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Casalguidi

Wonder if William NEWLAN, aged 35 in 1891, Carpenter born Stepney, with wife Mary, 29 born Surrey ?Brinton and children Alice (12), Nellie (10), Harry (5), Emily (3), Elsie (3mths) fits into the picture anywhere?

All at 48 Thornton Street, Lambeth.

All these carpenters and painters!  Its enough to do your head in! :)

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Re: NEWLYN "brickwall" in East London
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 21 May 05 15:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Casalquida, this is the 61 children in 51 with parents.
William Newlyn Hd 35 Tin Plate Worker  No Birthplace
Mary          "     Wf  30                           Middx St Georges
William     "      Son 6                                "    Marylebone
Fanny      "       Dtr  4                                               "
Esther     "        "   6Mths                                      "
5 Lisson St, Marylebone.
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Re: NEWLYN "brickwall" in East London
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 21 May 05 15:25 BST (UK) »
Ken, you are a star  :D

Thankyou!

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Re: NEWLYN "brickwall" in East London
« Reply #13 on: Monday 30 May 05 16:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Casalquida
Just noticed these postings about your William Newlyn.  I too am looking for a William Newlyn (my g.grandfather), supposedly born Plumstead/Woolwich c.1851.  His parents (my g.g. grandparents) were William Newlyn and Elizabeth ?.  He also had a brother John.  I've had more success tracing John.  He was fishmonger and married a Theressa Smith in Woolwich March 1882.

I have just got a death cert for Wm the elder - I know it has to be the correct one because Theressa was the informant.  He died Woolwich 1904 aged 83.

Do any of these facts fit in with your Newlyns?

Regards
Troy aka Jan P
I am researching Bailey, Newlyn, Welch, Pickering,Clarke, Broad, Burch, Parkes, Power, Nickels, Coulter, Delieu, Walker, Huxstep, Padgen, Inglis, McCartney, Crawford.
The areas are: Woolwich, Plumstead, Bexley, Portsmouth, Eltham, Paddington, St. Pancras, Middleton Norfolk and any connection with Bailey and Royal Artillery

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Re: NEWLYN "brickwall" in East London
« Reply #14 on: Friday 24 June 05 13:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Troy/Jan

Sorry not to have replied sooner having overlooked your reply :-[

The extent of the certain known information on this family is listed in my post above:

1901 - Gosport Rd, Walthamstow, Essex

William NEWLYN 44 oil & colourman b.Whitechapel
Emily 33 b.Whitechapel
Emily 9 b.Mile End
Esther 7 b.Mile End
William 4 b.Clapton
Louisa 1 b.Clapton

William NEWLYN 27 ba painter of 20 Robert St (Bethnal Green?) (father William NEWLYN painter)

married 1892 St James the Great, Bethnal Green RD, Middlesex/London.
 
Emily KNIGHT 28 sp of 4 Harts Lane (father John KNIGHT deceased)

Marriage witnesses:  Margaret TONKIN & W HILL so far unidentified


I haven't seen any connection south of the Thames as yet.

Where are you stuck with your family?  Are they the NEWLAND family living at Salutation Alley, St Mary's Woolwich 1871 ???

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Re: NEWLYN "brickwall" in East London
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 25 June 05 15:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Casalquida, thanks so much for responding.

I don't think your Newlyn's are same family as mine (although having said that not a very common name) but certainly you have my interest with the Newlands at Salutation Alley.

I have birth certificates for, I hope, my grandfather Henry Walter and his sister Emily Margaret.  My grandfather was born at 2 Salutation Alley 1876, his sister earlier 1869 but at 20 Robert Street.  Both were registered as Newlan, their Mother Elizabeth (nee King) made her mark, so presume she could not perhaps read either and wouldn't have known.  The father William Newlyn (if it be the same William) remarried later to someone else and he also made his mark. In 1891 and 1901 Wm and new wife Jane were at 3 Cock Yard Woolwich.

Also, on the marriage cert of William's brother John (fishmonger) there is a note that he was mistakenly named as Newland on the cert (which I presumed to mean his birth cert).  Unfortunately not been able to find birth record yet to verify.

Theressa Newlyn was a witness at my grandfather's marriage to Adelaide Emma Welch in 1899.

These Newlyns are really getting to me, have not been able to get moving for ages because of all the mis-spellings NewLAN, NewLAND, NewLYN, NewLIN etc etc but because you've found Newland at Salutation Alley and the connection there between my grandfather's birth record and the John Newlyn/Newland note on the marriage cert, must be the right family.

I am desperate to see that 1871 census record you mentioned but I can't find it.  Did you by any chance download a copy of the record at Salutation Alley,  Is there any way I can get a copy please - or can you give me the RG number and I can look for it by that means.

Can't thank you enough for this, might be the breakthrough I need.

Best wishes
Jan
I am researching Bailey, Newlyn, Welch, Pickering,Clarke, Broad, Burch, Parkes, Power, Nickels, Coulter, Delieu, Walker, Huxstep, Padgen, Inglis, McCartney, Crawford.
The areas are: Woolwich, Plumstead, Bexley, Portsmouth, Eltham, Paddington, St. Pancras, Middleton Norfolk and any connection with Bailey and Royal Artillery

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Re: NEWLYN "brickwall" in East London
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 25 June 05 17:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Jan

1871

2 Salutation Alley, Woolwich St Mary

William NEWLAND head mar 50 labourer R. Arsenal b.Caunt? Essex
Elizabeth wife 38 b.Plumstead Kent
William son 16 labourer R. Arsenal b.Plumstead
John son 14 b.Plumstead
Philip son 11 b.Plumstead
Arthur son 9 b.Woolwich
James son 6 b.Woolwich

RG10/783 folio 66 page 8

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Re: NEWLYN "brickwall" in East London
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 25 June 05 17:50 BST (UK) »
1881

8 Harden/Harnden Lane, Woolwich

William NEWLAN head mar 58 gen lab b.Essex
Elizabeth wife 49 b.Plumstead
Phillip son 20 gen lab b.Plumstead
James son 16 gen lab b.Plumstead
Alfred son 13 b.Plumstead
George son 9 b.Plumstead
Henry son 6 b.Woolwich
Emily dau 4 b.Woolwich

RG11/746 folio 23 page 37

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