HARRIS, SHERRATT, East Anglia

[clave]

Hello all , well we had a look at the census and found our GG Gfather Hiram Wilson , a Hawker in Jin ware who appears to have been born in 1862 in Lowestoft , and was married to Abgael , possibly Bird born 1872 maybe in Chatteris , Cambs
 They were all living in 2 Traveller vans in North Walsham , Ridlington Heath

They have 13 kids living with them : ages at 1911 - they were all listed as of unknown Birthplace and we couldn't find any of them on the bmd yet

Hiram  20
Wiphe 19
Sishe  17
Robert 15
Alas   14
Abgael 13
Tilda   12
William  11
Joseph  10
Polly   7
Agnes  4
Miney   2
Mark    3month

Agnes is our GMother , and possibly Polly could be one of the witnesses to her marriage if she later married a Mr Harris , will have to follow up if we can

This appears to be the correct Hiram for our records , and ages fit well - its just strange we havent found any reference to him anywhere else before ? any ideas anyone

     Clave

[donnachick]

hello i have john thorpe married to silvester gray born 1793
her parents were foulk and mary . i see there are mentions of a foulness/foulk on here but a diff time scale to mine does anyone know if there is any connection and what it might be to the grays on here. the family i have is

foulk and mary
chilfren
ambrose 1780
diney 1781
constant 1783
john
mary 1783
charles
jim
silvester 1793
holland 1796

any help would be gratefully received also any help on the butrriss/ buttredge family
i have an elizabeth marrying james thorpe but no other family info.

thanks in advance donna

[I forget]

Hi everyone,

I just thought I'd check on the post I started, phew!  I'm still wading through it, all very confusing. 

I was wondering if any of the people who have alot on the Thorpes/Gray/Harris etc have written it all down for publication in places like the Romany and Traveller fhs (presuming they are still going?)  as I'm sure many of us would find this very valuable. 

Also, I'm finding it hard to locate a birth certificate for my G. Grandmother Sylvia Harris/Thorpe.  (daughter of James and Eliza Thorpe) Apparantly family members tried to get a copy when she needed to claim her pension and they were told that there was no record.    I can't find one on Freebmd and there is very little obvious evidence of her or her siblings.    So I assume James and Eliza Thorpe didn't get them registered?

So, everyone getting the info from the IGI?  I have tried but can't seem to locate the info. 
Or is it from Parish records from other sources?   

I thought fellow researchers might be interested in the 1911 entries that I've transcribed for Harris and Thorpe
But having read the copyright stuff I wasn't sure if I'm allowed to post my own transcription, like you can with other census's.  Can anyone enlighten me?

Cindy x

[CitizenSmith]

Hi Cindy

Just to reassure you, the Romany and Traveller FHS continues in excellent health and is going from strength to strength. The Society celebrates its 15th anniversary this year with a 650-strong membership that's constant and increasing.

I'll pass on your suggestion about publishing a Thorpe/Gray/Harris family tree book or books to the Publishing Committee - and in fact, know that a Thorpe book is already in development.

Best wishes

Sharon
(Vice Chair – RTFHS)

[donnachick]

hi sharon im so excited to hear there is a thorpe book in progress please keep me posted

donna

[Cuxwold]

hi
With regard to the registration of the children of Sylvia & John Harris.
One possible subject is " Sinfie " as recorded in the 1911 census.
She is recorded as bn 1909 in the census, and the area is Cambridgeshire
A quick search through Freebmd brings up Cynthia...Sinfie..Cynfie ??bn
North Witchford Mar 1909....
Considering Sylvia is really Sylvester, its a possibillty

Ron

[CitizenSmith]

Hi Ron

That's well spotted. You often find the name Sinfi/e recorded as Cynthia in official documents.

Sharon

[I forget]

Sharon, that's great news 
I was helped out by some members of the RTFHS at their stand at a SOG fair some years ago, I will probably join now I've finally got round to attempting my mum's side of the family. 

Ron,

Sorry I didn't make myself clear, there's no problem with Sylvia/Sylvester Sherratt (nee Harris)'s birth cert (St Ives, Cambs 1904)     

Its interesting to hear that Synfie is 'Cynthia' on the index, as I was christened 'Cynthia' and my mum called me Cindy saying its the 'official shortening' of Cynthia and that it was 'originally Synfie' as she remembered older relatives called that. 

The Sylvester/Sylvia/Sylve I was looking for is Sylvia's mum, Sylvia Harris, nee Thorpe.  as in:
1881
10 Tommy Field, Oldham, Lancashire
James Thorpe. head,  30, b Kings Lynn, Cambridge,
Eliza Thorpe, 26, as above
Children: James,  6 yrs, King Lynn, Cambridge, Eliza, 4, b Halifax, York, Silvester, 3, Bradford, York, Mark, 2, Bradford, Cambridge,(?), Edmund,  7 months    Huddersfield, York, 

I think someone said they had a possible for Edmund, (back in this thread, somewhere!) but I can't see any for Sylvia, or any of the other children. 

Any ideas or parish record entries?  I don't seem to be getting anywhere.

Thanks
Cindy

[CitizenSmith]

Hi Cindy

We've probably met then as I used to do all of the SOG fair events for the Romany and Traveller FHS – and will be at the forthcoming Barbican Fair in May. We'd make you very welcome if you decided to join - and we have quite a few members with Thorpe interests. 

I'll dip into my Thorpe notes again to see if I have any info on these children.

Sharon