CORNWELL from Bottisham

[CAROLYNDERRY]

Hi Carolyn,
Just read your thread regarding the cornwells of 2008/9 and wonder if you are still pursuing this investigation.
I am David Cornwells grand daughter , second son of George Cornwell and I personally knew George and several of the brothers and sisters. I am 79 . I do have a photograph of George somewhere in my mothers old albums (she died in 2007 aged 100) . George was well into his 90's when he died and at that time was living with Lily and Morley (real name Frank Morley one of the brothers) at "Shanklin", High st, Bottisham). I spent time with him, as most of our holidays when I was little
was in Bottisham and Newmarket.
Perhaps we can learn from each other.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Jean Sharp.   

Hi yes am still looking at these relatives but havent looked at roots chat for some while-iam rueben cornwell grand daughter so any information you have or stories to tell+ any photographs would be of great interest to me-i live in northants so family have not moved far-look forward to hearing from you
carolyn

[Redroger]

Hi Carolyn,
Just read your thread regarding the cornwells of 2008/9 and wonder if you are still pursuing this investigation.
I am David Cornwells grand daughter , second son of George Cornwell and I personally knew George and several of the brothers and sisters. I am 79 . I do have a photograph of George somewhere in my mothers old albums (she died in 2007 aged 100) . George was well into his 90's when he died and at that time was living with Lily and Morley (real name Frank Morley one of the brothers) at "Shanklin", High st, Bottisham). I spent time with him, as most of our holidays when I was little
was in Bottisham and Newmarket.
Perhaps we can learn from each other.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Jean Sharp.   

These ages seem to go with the Cornwell/Ayres  X chromosome, my great grandmother Emily Cornwell died in 1941 aged 91, my mother another Emily! (nee Ayres) was b 1903 and died 2003 aged 99 and 106 days; her older sister Winifred (b1898-1997) was three weeks short of her 99th birthday when she died in October 1997. Their older sister Doris, died of cancer aged 73, but there are very many others who have reached their late 90s, though in my immediate family no centenarians; yet.

[KarenRuth2]

This query is regarding Susan Cornwell, vs. Susan Cornell married to Samuel Bull. 

1.  The Baptist Church, Bottisham Lode records state "These are to Certify, that Susan Cornwell (or Cornell) daughter of William  Cornwell and Mary his wife, was born in Bottisham Load in the Parish of Bottisham in the County of Cambridge the 3 day of August in the year one thousand eight hundred and seventeen.  Registered by me--Thomas Reynolds--Protestant Dissenting Minister.
In the margin is written "The Name should be Cornell."

2.  William Cornwell, son of Holmes Cornwell and Elizabeth Day, was married May 26, 1812 to Mary Benstead.  The only child that was baptized in the Church of England church records of Bottisham was Robert Cornwell, baptized Sept. 12, 1813.

3.  Lucy Joan Slater in The Bulls of Lode in the Journal of the Cambridgeshire Family History Society, Vol. 6, Number 8, Winter, 1988, pp. 217-218, stated that Samuel Bull (1816-1885) and his wife, Susan nee Cornell of St. Mary's the Less were married in Cambridge by license on May 7, 1837.  Susan died March 25, 1848, age 31 and was buried in the Baptist churchyard in Bottisham Lode, Camb.

4.Samuel Bull did remarry May 20, 1849 at All Saints, Camb., to Susan Cornwall, spinster of Jesus Lane, Camb.  Her father was Holmes Cornwell.  The Holmes Cornwell, her father, was bp. Feb 23, 1794, Bottisham Lode, Camb. The mother of Susan Cornwall was Mary Cook.  Both Samuel and Susan Bull are named in the will of Holmes Cornwell.

The query is:  Was Susan Cornell, the first wife of Samuel Bull, the daughter of William Cornwell and Mary Benstead or was Susan Cornell, the first wife of Samuel Bull, daughter of other parents with the last name of Cornell?  Does anyone have the marriage record of Samuel Bull and Susan Cornell married  May 7, 1837 in Cambridge by license that would state her father's name?  Was there another Susan Cornell baptized at St. Mary's the Less that would be 31 years old in 1848?

I would appreciate any comments about this confusing problem.

[Redroger]

Karen, I will keep a look out for this. I have already learned from your posting that Samuel Bull married twice; I was only aware of the second marriage.Incidentally I have Susan (II) shown as Susannah.

[Peter Cornwell]

Karen,

Remember me ? I regret that I have no definite evidence to resolve your question but share the strong belief that Samuel BULL’s first wife was indeed Susan the daughter of William CORNWELL & Mary BENSTEAD. For sure, his second wife, Susannah ‘Susan’ CORNWELL, was my GG Aunt.

Regarding your comments on their other offspring, I have noted that Charlotte was christened at Holy Trinity Church, Bottisham, on 12 March 1815 as was Elizabeth on 16 June 1816. William embraced non-conformity after the death of their first three children hence Susan’s christening at Lode Baptist Chapel.

I have no Susan CORNELL baptism in St Mary the Less circa 1817. Only William CORNWELL & Sarah (WALLIS) were having their children christened there around that time & (seemingly) didn’t have a daughter Susan.   

[Redroger]

Peter, what was the date of the christening at Lode Baptist chapel? I have the CDs from Cambridge FHS, but what is worrying me is that Baptists do not do infant Baptism. Adult baptism by total immersion only. If the chapel did not have a Baptistry then the cerfemony would take place in a local water course or if coastal the sea. Children born to the Community were recorded on a "cradle roll" sort of for future reference, but there was no infant Baptism.

[Peter Cornwell]

Roger,

Quite so - my mistake. No 'infant sprinkling' (as G Grandfather Cook 'Charles' CORNWELL described it) at Lode Baptist Chapel. As KarenRuth2 says in her post of 7 January, the birth date of Susan CORNWELL daughter of William & Mary (BENSTEAD) is registered there on 3 August 1817 - the name being amended to CORNELL. I believe that baptisms took place in the River Cam at Bottisham Locks a site also used by Waterbeach Baptist Chapel.       

[Redroger]

Thanks Peter, that seems to have been a very likely site. Hope it caused healthy friendly intercourse between the two churches.Like the term "infant sprinkling". This Ayres, Benstead, Cornwell family at Lode is just one great spiral. I am my own 4th cousin! Some years ago when I first started researching I asked my mother what had been her grandmother's maiden name. Her reply in a tone that suggested I should have known, was Cornwell (leaving stupid boy, it's a law of nature that Ayres males marry Cornwell girls! unsaid, she was over 90 and I was then in my late 50s!) When I started serious research shortly afterwards I found what she meant.

[arthur1]

Hi Peter, Roger

I have read with interest Peters view that maybe folk were baptised at Bottisham lock.. whilst i have no proof just word of mouth of the older folk of Lode.. who say baptisms took place in the village
in the river that runs through it at place called Drover Bridge. Quarter of  a mile from the Chapel.

Sounds logical to me as Bottisham lock is some 2 miles away.

Paul .