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Offline David Coulthard

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Re: Glendening Northumberland
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 21 December 08 20:35 GMT (UK) »
David

You are a star - That is really great stuff.

You have the family moving to Darlington which must be the place from which James set out on his adventure; all the way to London.

Is there any sign in anything you have to suggest the occupation of either John or Jane? Where is that showing?

David

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Re: Glendening Northumberland
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 21 December 08 21:37 GMT (UK) »
John is shown as a gardener in the burial record for his wife in 1807. I have a reference in my notes that say he may be from Kirby Stephen, but I don't know where that comes from.

I suspect he married a second time, to Hannah Maugham, on 15 Oct 1811 at Darlington St. Cuthbert.

Eldest son, George, was a butcher and died at Darlington in 1848.
John, next younger to James, was an inmate at the Darlington workhouse in 1871.
Robert was a bricklayer at the time his illegitimate daughter was christened in 1823.

Daughter Eleanor's husband Anthony Smith was a labourer and/or a teamster at Darlington.
Youngest daughter Elizabeth's husband Thomas Wrathall was a grocer at Barnard Castle. Their daughter married Eleanor's youngest son (first cousins intermarried) and they came to America in 1873. I am a descendant of Anthony by his second marriage to an American woman, which occurred within the month of his first wife's death.

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Re: Glendening Northumberland
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 21 December 08 22:01 GMT (UK) »
I am very grateful.

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Re: Glendening Northumberland
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 21 December 08 23:32 GMT (UK) »
How is it that you know your James is the same as the James christened at Barton in 1796?

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Re: Glendening Northumberland
« Reply #31 on: Monday 22 December 08 00:24 GMT (UK) »
We have traced him up to Barton St Mary as he had three sons, one of whom is my artist. Through the birth details of the three sons we have the parents details including James and Sarah being married in St Georges, Hanover Square, London on 15th March 1825. Their various certificates do, so I believe (although I have not seen them myself) confirm that.

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Re: Glendening Northumberland
« Reply #32 on: Monday 22 December 08 01:04 GMT (UK) »
My question becomes how do you tie him to Barton? Census records? Family lore? Since the marriage predates civil registration, does the church register indicate the hometown?

I'm not trying to say you're wrong--I am trying to show how to strengthen the suggestion that the man you're seeking and the man I already have are, in fact, the same person.

There appears to be no question that the man I have does not remain in Darlington. Whither he goes, I have no idea. He--or someone of the same name--does have a child christened there in 1831. The family as I know it is concentrated in the Darlington/Barnard Castle/Newcastle area throughout the 19th Century, and only a bit of the next generation winds up leaving for the States, including what becomes my line.

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Re: Glendening Northumberland
« Reply #33 on: Monday 22 December 08 01:31 GMT (UK) »
David

The notes (prepared by someone helping me with whom I can double check after Christmas) say that James G Glendening (b 1831) was the son of John Glendening and grandson of John Glendening too.

It seems his father is John, brother of the James I have as father of my artist. This James is also the son of John (the one I am after) and is the James we have as recorded somewhere as being born in Barton St Mary.

I will pin down where that comes from.

Off to bed now!!

David 


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Re: Glendening Northumberland
« Reply #34 on: Monday 22 December 08 02:45 GMT (UK) »
Alright, then.

John, brother of James (1796) has four children to my reckoning:
George, (1824-1830)
William (1826)
Jane (1834)
George (1837)--known to have had a daughter

All at Darlington Saint Cuthbert. There's certainly a gap there that would allow for John to fit in, but I find no record at St Cuthbert.

Let's keep at this.

DM

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Re: Glendening Northumberland
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 23 December 08 04:40 GMT (UK) »
Dear DavidM,

I have found the census entries for John (1798 of Barton) for 1851, 1861 and 1871.  In the 1851 census HO107/2385/555 p.6 he has a son James b.c. 1831, Darlington.  I wonder whether it was even an an error on the part of the St Cuthbert's Darlington incumbent and that the 1831 baptism should have read 'James son of John'.

I am a descendant of James (1796 of Barton) and the person who David Coulthard refers to as working with.  (I believe you and I have been in contact directly before re John senior (1769, Carlisle?) back in 2005-6.)  We are confident that our James is the 1796 Barton James because of the census entries for him 1851, 1861, and 1871 - references respectively HO107/1587/360p.1, RG9/403/12p.18, and RG10/759/84p.1.

Julie