Glendening Northumberland

[NadT]

Hi, I'm hoping someone can help me with this. 
My GGG grandfather Michael Glendening is listed on all census entries as being born Pepy/Peepy Northumberland and I am trying to track down his birth records to further my research.  Taking the ages from census info he would have been born abt 1817.  There is an added complication of his name being spelt, Glendening/Glendenning/Glendinning on the censuses. Anyway I've found an IGI entry for a Michael Glendinning born1817, baptised Lee Saint John, Northumberland, with a mothers name of Margaret.  There is no fathers name so I assume he was illegitimate.  Does anyone have access to Northumberland parish records to check if there is any more info?
Adding to my confusion is that when Michael marries Ann Postle in 1837 he lists a fathers name of John, ()I have a marriage cert for that) although someone recently told me that putting 'John' as a father was also commonly done when the father wasn't known.  Is this correct?

Michael, although born in Peepy married in Durham and lived in Durham, as have his descendents.

I am hoping someone can help as I've come to the same stand still on the other side of the family.  My GGG grandfather Jonathan Richardson b1817 Tanfield Durham was also illegitimate and I've had no luck tracking down hiw mother Sarah.

Here's hoping

Nadine 

[sharmor]

Peepy stands about 1 km. north west of Bywell. famous today for the famous (Hunday) herd of cattle.
St John Lee records only state Dec 28th. 1817 Michael son of Margaret GLENDINNING of Quarry house. no other info .

[NadT]

Sharmor,

Thanks very much for that, it's a start.

Nadine

[peter brownlee]

Sorry to convey bad news, but IGS is always a shot in the dark.
Burials at St John Lee, 28th Dec 1817 Michael so Margaret Glendinning, Quarry House.
There are baptisms for Esther do of Joseph and Ruth Glendinning, Colwell Ho Chollerton. and Jane do Jane Glendinning, Acomb Fell about that year both buried within the year.
The only marriage for Glendinning is for May 9th 1813 Andrew Routledge of Bywell psh married Ann Glendinning otp. Peepy is of course in Bywell parish, so that might direct your further attention to Bywell.

[Michael Dixon]

Nadine,

The custom of using "John" as a father's name in cases of illegitimacy.. ??

The way I heard it, it was "Jack the Lad". Only kidding. After several years researching trees, I have never ever heard this before.

Onto my old hobby horse.. the English naming Pattern (ENP).

When we are stuck for parents name, the convention followed by couples in naming their children offers clues to the names of the couple's parents....

"Rule" No 1... name first son after child's father's father
2. second son gets mother's father's name.
6. call first dtr of her mother's mother
7. name second dtr after her father's mother's name.

I think Ann's father was called Jonathan ( he the father of an Ann Postle Baptised in 1819 in Shotlet Bridge) ??

And I noticed the frequent use of Rebecca amongst the Postles.

But infant deaths can mess up our "view" of the pattern.

The Michael/Ann couple called their first dtr Rebecca ?

First son John/Jonathan ?. Second son John??

I don't think they named any of their children Margaret ??.

Their son Michael born 1859 had "middle" name of Henry ??


Hope this is not wasting your time.

Michael Dixon
Newcastle

[sharmor]

Sorry to convey bad news, but IGS is always a shot in the dark.
Burials at St John Lee, 28th Dec 1817 Michael so Margaret Glendinning, Quarry House.

I can't see this in the Burials for St John Lee. the last burial in 1817  was on 9th, Dec for Elizabeth  PROUD wife o fJohn of Acomb age 77

[NadT]

Peter,

I couldn't see a burial, just a baptism for Michael 28 Dec 1817, but I will look further at Bywell, thanks.

Nadine

[NadT]

Michael,

Thank you this does help. 

I thought the use of John for illegitimacy didn't sound right, but thought I'd check it out, particularly as my GGG grandfather on the other side is also illegitimate, but his birth record states, Jonathan illegitimate son of Sarah Richardson

Yes Michael married Ann Postle in Shotley Bridge 1837 and her father was Jonathan - her mother is a bit of an issue.  Her parish baptism records says,
Baptisms, Lanchester District
Record Number: 407332.0
Parish/Church: Medomsley (St. Mary Magdalene)
17 Oct 1819 Ann Postle, of Shotley Bridge, daughter of Jonathan Postle (husbandman) by his wife Mary.

but Jonathan also had a number of children before Ann with Rebecca Forster - I don't know where the Mary has come from.  It's definitely the same Jonatahn Postle on teh parish record.  The Rebecca fits in with Michael and Ann naming their first daughter Rebecca.

Michael and Ann named their children, Rebecca b1839, Jonathan b1844, John b1851, Joseph b1855 and Michael Henry b1859.  I haven't looked to see if there have been any deaths in between, but all these children appear on all census's from 1841 onwards.

Using your format Michaels dad should have been called John or Jonathan (shortened to John maybe?). 

You're also right, I can't find any children of Michael and Ann named Margaret, although it does appear that they only had the one daughter.

You seem to know what you're on about, so just how reliable is the IGI index ?  Some people tell me that it's very reliabll and I should give up looking for a fther for Michael and assume that this entry in St John Lee is definitely him, but now I'm being told that it's not a reliable source.

I'm still relatively new to this.  I can find my way around the census and BMDs, but am not so sure about parish records, and living so far away I can't really get to records offices.

Thanks very much for your help and advice.

Nadine

[Michael Dixon]

Nadine,

I am no expert on IGI, mainly because I am not a regular user...

Because ...
1) I am lucky to have reliable resources here in Newcastle
(Library for church records- mainly abbreviated transcriptions
and indexes, and Tyne&Wear archives for the Full Monty of church records), and

2) IGI does not hold a wide range of Catholic church records.

When I am next in T&W Archives, I will delve into church records for Michael's past.. ( within next 14 days)


IGI users will probably tell you that "extracted" records are trustworthy, while the other type ( I've forgotten term.. something like "submitted by members" ?? ) are not.
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Did Michael/Ann call their first son Jonathan "John" on C1851, then Jonathan from C1861, after the later John came along ?

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A wee trivia note, on the Irish Naming Pattern ( very similar to the English and Scottish versions.....

If a man lost his wife, then remarried, the first dtr born of the new union was to given the name of the deceased wife !

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Michael Dixon