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Offline Josephine

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Re: Do we idealise our ancestors?
« Reply #18 on: Friday 04 January 08 16:58 GMT (UK) »
My father's parents divorced when he was a toddler and he never saw his mother again.

This was the first family I researched when I started a few years ago.  My father and his parents were deceased by then.

All I had was a birth date (off by one year) for my grandmother and nicknames for her parents.  I eventually was able to learn quite a bit, not only on my direct line but on the many branches of my grandmother's family tree.  (The whole family is meaningful to me; not one is ever just a name.)

I contacted the man who is the researcher for my great-grandfather's family name.  He has put his tree online and descendants are always sending him info to add to it (with their permission).  This man helped me in three significant ways.  He is the reason why I always like to help other people with their genealogy (it's also my nature to be helpful, but he set the example for me).

Through dogged persistence, lots of work and lots of money, I was able to obtain vital documents that contained some answers without giving me the ultimate answer to the question why.  It turned out that my grandmother and her siblings were abandoned by their mother.  My great-grandparents went on to remarry new spouses (although not legally) and didn't tell the children from their second marriages about their first families.

Every time I learned something new, it was invariably sad.  My mother kept saying, "Are you sure you want to keep doing this?  Don't you want to find a happier hobby?"

I, too, wanted to know where this unhappiness all started and why.  Although I learned an awful lot, I still don't know why, although I can make a few guesses.

Sometimes I play a mental game:  I ask myself, how far back would I have to go in time for my father to have been alright?

- His parents.
- His grandparents.
- His great-grandparents.

But if they had made all the right choices, my parents wouldn't have met and I wouldn't be here.

As others have said, the most important thing is that the cycle of (whatever) stops. 

Also, I notice a huge difference in what we will discuss versus what our parents or aunties will discuss.  In the past, people wouldn't want to discuss the unpleasant stuff with some of us, although it seems they all knew about it. 

If there are still people in the family who are older than you, try to talk to them and see what they will share.  In the case of aunts and uncles, you could also talk to their children.  There's a lot of family history contained in memories and stories that are never written down and are not found in BMDs.  These risk being lost to time.  In some cases, relatives might think that is ultimately for the best, but I'd rather know about it and make up my own mind.   ;)

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Re: Do we idealise our ancestors?
« Reply #19 on: Friday 04 January 08 20:14 GMT (UK) »
What a thoughtful post, Josephine. Especially the bit about talking to older family members.

I didn't start this hobby until long after there was no-one left to talk to. All I have is a couple of cousins, and one isn't interested and doesn't answer my emails, and I have hopes but no email address for the other. Some day I'll call him. Soon.

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Re: Do we idealise our ancestors?
« Reply #20 on: Friday 04 January 08 22:14 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, China. 

I've also had experiences where people who weren't family but whose families were close to my great-grandfather's have told me interesting things about my own family.  They also shed light on some erroneous family stories.  Not only that, but they very kindly sent me some photos that I'd never seen!

One person got in touch with me as a result of a query I placed in their local newspaper.  I was put in touch with the other person via the local genealogical society.

Last year, when we visited their area, they (the unrelated folks) took me on a tour and showed me the houses where my great-grandparents and grandparents had lived.  They also accompanied us to the cemetery and helped us find my family's graves.

It was great.  Obviously, they are good folk.

Further to the topic of idealizing our ancestors, I think sometimes the more we know, the less likely it is.  For example, I was not impressed with some of the information contained in my grandfather's military record.  Let's just say it didn't cast a favourable light on his character.  Although I already knew of some of his flaws, I could have lived without the information and the unhappy implications for the rest of his family.

Oh, dear.   :o

If you knew me, you'd never guess that I come from such a long line of "black sheep", LOL.

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Re: Do we idealise our ancestors?
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 06 January 08 18:54 GMT (UK) »
I totally agree, Eileen.

I've said something similar to my husband about this.  It all depends on who you ask.  One's own personality always plays a part in one's perception of others.

If my husband asked a particular relative (who shall remain nameless, LOL) to describe me, he wouldn't recognize me!  And my husband knows me better than anyone!

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Re: Do we idealise our ancestors?
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 06 January 08 20:17 GMT (UK) »
Hard to idealise workhouse-dwelling, imprisoned, dying in asylums, illegitimate, syphilitic is it not?

They are what OH and self have between us.  But I love them all and am fascinated at the terrible lives so many of my/our ancestors had to endure.

I think this is why I do  FAMILY HISTORY , not genealogy!
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Re: Do we idealise our ancestors?
« Reply #23 on: Monday 07 January 08 01:27 GMT (UK) »
In the beginning I did, but once the bad news came rolling in I stopped. Actually, I almost gave up on the whole project at one point but I took some time off, stepped back and decided on a new approach.

There are at least 9 Peter Copelans in the family, thus the guy in my avatar became "Peter the Pirate", another became Peter the Pauper, another Peter the Quaker, etc, etc. I think that in order to compile as thorough and as honest a family tree as possible, it's important distance oneself somewhat. Not only that but to look at it with a sense of humor.

There are some very admirable people in my family and some not so admirable. Since there's very little information about most of them, it would do them a disservice to apply "good" or "evil" labels to them.

My great grandfathers were known to my parents and their cousins but I have yet to have any real sense of who they were as so much of the information is conflicting. Other than the fact that one of them was the town drunk.

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« Reply #24 on: Monday 07 January 08 02:25 GMT (UK) »
Do I idealise my ancestors? Well if I could find them maybe I would  :D My family emigrated to Canada when I was 4 and a bit. I'm a clean slate. Have no opinions about anyone because I know nothing  :)

However recently, I did manage to get in touch with some cousins through Ancestry...one of my cousins had some bad opinions about one of our uncles through marriage  :( Never knew the man and never will because he's dead but now I have an opinion about him...granted it was a second hand opinion but I have that in the back of my mind about him now....relatives are dangerous  :o :o  :o :o :o

mab ....still in the dark hoping to be enlightened  :)
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Re: Do we idealise our ancestors?
« Reply #25 on: Monday 07 January 08 03:25 GMT (UK) »
Before I started investigating my ancestors I didn't idealize them. I assumed I would find a mixed bag of villains, base-born, consumptive paupers etc...  :-\

To my great surprise I found I was totally wrong. The were inventive, adventurous, brave and healthy survivors of what must have been a hard world.

I've become very fond and proud of them all.  ;D
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« Reply #26 on: Monday 21 January 08 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Well it was one ancestor in particular who set me off on this wonderful hobby. I grew up with a large oil painting of minister on the wall and a Staffordshire figurine of the same man. (incongruous in a 1930's semi) When I asked about him, it became clear that my father's sister and her father thought he was a wonderful man and that he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I did a lot of research and yes he was an interesting man, methodist minister - one of the first who brought Methodism to Wales in the Welsh language and then I turned up a little problem. I discovered that he had left the church rather suddenly in the early 1820's after a life in the ministry - why? became the burning question.

I knew his first wife had died and he had remarried and after many years of not being able to find their marriage, a kind person on here was able to provide the information and I discovered that they had married 2 months before their son (my direct ancestor) was born. Obviously this was the reason he had left the church.

I was pleased!! No longer was he an icon - just a normal human being struggling with life. I was also pleased that all my relatives who had idolised him were also dead, as I don't think they could have coped with the information.

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