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Re: Need Help Please.
« Reply #18 on: Monday 31 December 07 14:47 GMT (UK) »
Amazing work "casalguidi"...and many thanks for enlightening me on the search technique. I am almost sure you are right on.....one small issue though. One my "techniques" in looking for Albert William was to build files on families, which I had done for James the fishmonger.  He died on the 19th Nov 1862 at Maidstone (I have the certificate, which clarifies both his street address and occupation). This does not preclude him being Albert's father (Albert born June 1863).  I have since also found Albert William Foord Gawler in the 1871 census for Teynham, as "William Gowler", nephew, correct age and birthplace, living with "Alvan Gowler"...there are transcripion errors here (Gowler should Gawler, and Alvan should be Abraham). So......and this is speculation....if James who died 1862, is the father, it is very logical that the children would have been sent to live with relatives. And "Tati" how could I despair! I am sure you can only imagine my joy! It is comforting (for easier research purposes) to know he wasn't illegitimate. And for what it's worth, today is my birthday....WOW, what present. I am off now to my lawyers, Casalguidi and Tati are now in my will!
Larry
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Re: Need Help Please.
« Reply #19 on: Monday 31 December 07 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Larry!!  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #20 on: Monday 31 December 07 14:57 GMT (UK) »
what was James occupation actually shown as on Albert / Williams 1880 marriage cert ?

Saw 'sister' Adelaide in Canterbury workhouse in 1871     :(
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« Reply #21 on: Monday 31 December 07 15:09 GMT (UK) »
No, James' occupation was not shown on Albert Williams marriage certificate, and only his father (not his mother) is listed. James' occupation as fishmonger is shown on his death certificate. And interestingly, the Adelaide in the workhouse rings a bell.....I have to go back to my old notes, so this is supposition only, but if I recall right I had big problems finding what became of James' family after his death.
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« Reply #22 on: Monday 31 December 07 15:12 GMT (UK) »
Yes, sadly English/Welsh MCerts only had provision for Fathers details.


Adelaide was the only one I found in 1871, I was hoping young George would be around and lead us to others - didnt check deaths,  ....... but at least you have found your chap !


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« Reply #23 on: Monday 31 December 07 15:47 GMT (UK) »
It looks as if James FOORD and Sarah GAWLER weren't married - baptisms of some of their "GAWLER" children appear on the IGI http://www.familysearch.org and there is a death registered for Sarah GAWLER in the Maidstone registration district 1866 age 36 which just might fit http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

Yes, lovely website - I think you have enough to update it now ;)

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« Reply #24 on: Monday 31 December 07 16:24 GMT (UK) »
With all the research you've done Larry, I expect you've already found this but thought I would post anyway now I've found it ;)

1871

6 Bombe? Alley, Maidstone

William H CLEGG head mar 23 waterman b.Maidstone
Caroline wife 23 b.Canterbury
Elizabeth A C dau 1 b.Maidstone
Sarah A CAULFIELD lodger mar 21 soldier's wife b.Canterbury
William J lodger 2 b.Maidstone

RG10/940 folio 45 page 13

Caroline FOORD married (one of the two possible spouses) William Henry CLEGG Maidstone registration district 1873 http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

Sarah Ann FOORD married Thomas CAULFIED at St Paul, Chatham 29 Sep 1868
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Re: Need Help Please.
« Reply #25 on: Monday 31 December 07 17:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I can't believe this, i go out for a bit of retail theropy and when i get back my whole world has changed, and all the hard work has been done for me.

How can i thank you all for this. I'ts brilliant.

               Thankyou so much.
 
                            Lynn. 
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« Reply #26 on: Monday 31 December 07 18:32 GMT (UK) »
Just mind boggling how fast this is going......<br><br>First, another tidbit of information. In the 1841 I find James Foord and Susan (Susan, not Sarah) living at the same address (North Lane, Westgate Without). James' age is close enough, but "Susan" is really off. It states 25 (let's keep in mind that the 1841 census takers did a lot of rounding off) which puts her birth year around 1816/17, the same as James'. However, the 1851 and 1861 census shows a considerable difference in James and Sarah's ages. Do you all agree that this is the same James? Would an "educated" guess be that Jame's first wife Susan (I can't find any death reference) died, he replaced her with Sarah but never married? I also think the logic is good that James and Sarah Gawler did not marry, thus their kids were named Foord Gawler. But, if this is the case, where is the logic for the surnames only being Foord in the 1851 and 1861 census? If they had stopped using the Gawler surname and reverted back to just Foord, why is William Albert registered as Gawler in 1863, and appearing in the 1871 census as Gawler. There is curiousity only, I want to have my accuracy as high as possible. Is it because when William went to live with the Gawlers in Teynham prior to 1871, they used his "legal" surname of Gawler, whereas for the sake of daily business (including census) the family had just used Foord prior to James' death in 1862 and Sarah's in 1866?<br>
Second, I can't find Sarah Gawler's parents, however, I can find in both 1861 and 1851 census Robert and Sarah Gawler's son Abraham with whom William lived with in the 1871 census as an uncle. This would mean that Abraham should have had a sister named Sarah (furthermore, she is named after her mother?) but she does not appear in the 1841 census (by 1851 she had married/or was living with James Foord). It is conceiveable that the 1841 census listing in Westgate Without that shows James and Susan is in fact James and Sarah, BUT, there is at minimum (based on later census and the IGI) eleven years difference between James and Sarah, not the same ages as appears in the 1841 census. And if we assume that Susan is really Sarah, would it be logical that they were not married then? And thus, my logic of James' first wife dying and his remarrying Sarah goes out the window??? <br>
Boy, my mind is tired....what do you guys think?<br>
(and casalguidi....thanks for the marriage info, no I did not have that yet!!!)<br>
Larry


Foord, both from Sussex and Kent...vist our website:
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