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Is this the uniform of an officer?
« on: Wednesday 26 December 07 23:20 GMT (UK) »
I know this is not a particularly clear picture but, was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about the uniform my grandfather is wearing?  Unfortunately, although I have other similar pics, cannot find one showing the side of his cap.

Could this be the uniform of a Lieutenant Colonel?

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Brumby and Cheeseman (Louth, Lincs)
Brumby, Clark, Smith & Young (Sunderland, Co.Durham)
Cowing, Foster, Hudspith, Kilgour, Patterson, Pattinson, Pringle & Robinson (Northumberland)
Douglas, Laurence, McQueen, Moffat & Pringle (Scotland)
Hall, Harding (Hollinside), Maugham/Maughan & McQueen (Whickham, Co.Durham)
Oliver & Stark (Co.Durham, Northumberland & Scotland)

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Re: Is this the uniform of an officer?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 December 07 19:10 GMT (UK) »
Definitely an officer. Do you have any pictures which show his shoulder tabs. If you have, then by looking at the numbers of pips or crowns you will be able to work out his rank.
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Re: Is this the uniform of an officer?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 December 07 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Andrew

Thanks for your interest.  Does this one help at all?  I have an album of pictures, taken at the same event, but unfortunately, non that seem particularly clear.  On some of them, are lots of army personnel, although do not know if they are from the same regiment or not.  He was in the Royal Engineers, at some time, but unsure if this was his regiment at the time the photos were taken.

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Brumby and Cheeseman (Louth, Lincs)
Brumby, Clark, Smith & Young (Sunderland, Co.Durham)
Cowing, Foster, Hudspith, Kilgour, Patterson, Pattinson, Pringle & Robinson (Northumberland)
Douglas, Laurence, McQueen, Moffat & Pringle (Scotland)
Hall, Harding (Hollinside), Maugham/Maughan & McQueen (Whickham, Co.Durham)
Oliver & Stark (Co.Durham, Northumberland & Scotland)

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Re: Is this the uniform of an officer?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 December 07 13:51 GMT (UK) »
Yes, looks like a pip and a crown, which means he was a Lieutenant Colonel. If you have any pictures in which his lapel badge is clearer, then I might be able to work out his regiment.
He has a good number of ribbons on his chest, close ups of those will give an idea of his military career.
What was his full name and when was he born ? With this data I should be able to look him up in the Army Lists.

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Re: Is this the uniform of an officer?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 28 December 07 18:58 GMT (UK) »
Andrew

Thank you for the confirmation of the uniform and welcome to RootsChat; a bit late with the welcome, so my apologies for that!

Unfortunately, I cannot find any others pics that give a clearer view of his ribbons, or lapel badge.  Not sure if you will be able to see anything from these two?

His full name was James Patterson Oliver and he was born 03 Jan 1894 and I know he served in both wars.  I have a small faded pic, which he signed and wrote 'Cairo 1917'.

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Brumby and Cheeseman (Louth, Lincs)
Brumby, Clark, Smith & Young (Sunderland, Co.Durham)
Cowing, Foster, Hudspith, Kilgour, Patterson, Pattinson, Pringle & Robinson (Northumberland)
Douglas, Laurence, McQueen, Moffat & Pringle (Scotland)
Hall, Harding (Hollinside), Maugham/Maughan & McQueen (Whickham, Co.Durham)
Oliver & Stark (Co.Durham, Northumberland & Scotland)

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Re: Is this the uniform of an officer?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 28 December 07 19:10 GMT (UK) »
Leave him with me, I will have a look to see what I can find.
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Re: Is this the uniform of an officer?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 28 December 07 19:35 GMT (UK) »


This looks like his medal card !  looks interesting !!  :)

Medal card of Oliver, James Patterson

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Private
Durham Light Infantry
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Lance Corporal
Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
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Re: Is this the uniform of an officer?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 28 December 07 20:23 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I saw that as well. I had a go at finding him in the London Gazette, but no joy yet (it does have a somewhat strange logic engine!)
His Officers records will not be at NA as he continued to serve after the end of WW1. A systematic search of the Army lists will reveal the bones of his career. Some of the larger city libraries have them in their reference sections.
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Re: Is this the uniform of an officer?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 28 December 07 21:08 GMT (UK) »
Well the photo is post 1944 as he is wearing a coloured field service cap...

I did find a James Patterson Oliver becoming a 2nd Lt in 1943, on what appears to be the General List...

Now the CFSC...It's not RE as that one only had piping around the top, not the sides...
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