Birth Record, surname Walthew

[Lolita]

I am seeking the birth parents of Maria Nightingale Walthew who was born in Dublin c 1838.  I know that her mother was Maria Walthew (nee Hall) who was born in Gt Yarmouth in 1805 but the father of Maria Nightingale escapes me.  As I haven't been able to trace the family in England until 1881 it suggests to me that they may have been in Ireland prior to that.  Also I have not been able to trace any death records for Walthews in England and since Maria the mother was a widow in 1881 in England it is likely that the father of Maria Nightingale Walthew died in Ireland.  Any suggestions would be helpful.
Lolita

[aghadowey]

Children of Matthew Cranswick & Maria Nightongale (Walthew) Greenhill:
1. Edith Harriette Cranswick Greenhill born 1 July 1865 Donnybrook, Co.Dublin
2. Cranswick Walthew Greenhill born 25 May 1868 Co.Dublin
3. Maude Nightingale Greenhill born 8 May 1873 Antrim, Co.Antrim

Maria Walthew d.1895 Lambeth (age 89).

1881 census- Lambeth, London lists Matthew C. Greenhill as telegraph engineer. Wife Maria N. (43) & children Edith H.C. (15) and Cranswick W. (12) born in Dublin with daughter Amy A.N. (4) born Belfast.
1891 census- Brixton, London still shows Maria, Edith, Cranswick & Anny born in Ireland.

Sounds like there might be a military connection here to bring mother Maria Hall from Gt. Yarmouth to Ireland where she had at least 1 child Maria c1838. Later daughter Maria marries a telegraph engineer (do you have that marriage as it should list her father's name?) and has several children in Dublin area and then at least 2 in Antrim/Belfast area.

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

[Lolita]

Thank you for this information.  No, I don't have the marriage of Maria who married Mathew Greenhill.  I have not been able to find any evidence of the marriage in England nor of her mother's marriage for that matter.   I live in New Zealand and was hoping to find Irish BMD's available online, alas I have not yet found what I am looking for.

[Lolita]

A little further information has come to hand.  the father of Maria Nightingale Walthew was George Molyneux.  He was a hatter in Dublin and produced the coast guards caps and also was designated hatter to the Lord Ltnt of Ireland.  It has been suggested, although no proof, that George may have been the child of a younger son of the Earl of Sefton whose family name is Molyneux.  It will be interesting to follow up on this.  I also found a marriage on the GRO Ioanian Military Registrations 1818-1864, page 1 of 1, Hadaway-Herring on the "findmypast" site for Maria Hall, Dublin but could not find George Walthew.  My contact thinks they were married in 1833.
Lolita

[dublin1850]

You probably already have this:
Walthew
George M., 13 College green and Park avenue cottage, Sandymount (hatter to His Excellency the Lord Lieutenant and cap manufacturer to the Coast Guard of Ireland)

From Shaw's Dublin City Directory of 1850
http://www.dublin1850.com

[Lolita]

Thank you Dublin 1850
I had the information but had not seen the source itself.
Lolita

[ann c]

Hi Lolita, I am descended from Maria Nightingale Walthew. She had a sister Harriet Caroline Walthew if u wld like details.
Their mother Maria Hall was born in Gt Yarmouth, dtr of Wm Hall, a baker, and Elizabeth Nightingale. She had 2 sisters if u are interested. I have not been able to trace Wm Hall's parentage but think Elizabeth Nightingale was dtr of Samuel Nightingale and Ann Pashby of Gt Yarmouth.
Re George Molyneux Walthew - he died in Dublin 6 Jan 1870 age 70 (info from obit in Freemans Journal - Irish newspaper)
He was indeed a hatter and general pillar of Dublin society. His business was at 13 College Green, Dublin and lived at Norfolk Cottage, Park Avenue, Sandymount, Donnybrook, Dublin.
He married Maria Hall in 1833 but there no marriage cert survives only a short record on a list apparently.
The legend came down my family too that he was descended from the Earl of Sefton but I have found no link to prove it.
All I know for sure is that he was related to some other Walthews who lived in Anglesey, North Wales. One of these Walthews was actually mayor of Holyhead. I know this because my father was born in Anglesey while his father (Cranswick Walthew Greenhill) was bldg a road there for the Walthews.

It has been suggested he could have been born in Stockport, nr Manchester. Stockport was a hatting town and full of Walthes, but I have nfound no definite proof of that either

[shanew147]

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He married Maria Hall in 1833 but there no marriage cert survives only a short record on a list apparently.
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The marriage is before the start of Civil record so there will be no cert, but there is a parish record. Georges surname has been mistranscribed as part of the address - see :

  Marriage of George Molyneux Walthew and Maria Hall - 4 Sept 1833
  Parish of St. George, Dublin City (Church of Ireland)

You can also view an image of the original register page on that link 


Shane
 

[ann c]

Thanks Shane, that is great. It would have been greater still if they had entered their parents in the parish record but there you are.