Grange Farm, Sunderland

[el_torro]

In 1944, Dennis George Tilt married a Mavis Povah in `The Parish Church of Grangetown` (which is this?). Both were in the forces, Dennis `Gunner R.A.` and Mavis `A.T.S.`. Both give their address as `Grange Farm`, which I believe was, or is, in the Grangetown area and may now be a garden nursery.

Does anyone know if Grange Farm was being used to house military personnel during this time or would this have been the home of one of them. The occupation of Dennis`s father, George Tilt, is either `Maulster` (to do with beer making), or `Moulder`, the writing being indistinct and Mavis`s father, William Povah, is a `Corn Merchant`

What is interesting, to me that is, is the fact that a year later, in 1945, a William Robert Tilt married Elsie Stephenson in Sunderland and William`s occupation has previously been stated as a `Brewer` (Maulster?) for the now defunct, Vaux Brewery.

William R and Elsie resided at 3, Salem Hill South, Hendon, where I was born, and I have yet to establish the connection between Dennis and William.

Any help/info re the above would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Jim

[O1dgobbo]

Hi Jim

Google throws up a current business Grangetown Nursery. Ryhope Grange Farm, Ryhope Road, Sunderland.

Good luck

Gobbo

[JenB]

In 1944, Dennis George Tilt married a Mavis Povah in `The Parish Church of Grangetown` (which is this?).

See http://www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/dro.nsf/vwebplaces?OpenView&Startkey=A

According to this, the Parish Church of Grangetown is St Aidan's.

Jennifer

[stanmapstone]

It is Malster not Maulster 

Stan

[oldspook]

As an extra bit of info, my wife's ancestors farmed at Grange Farm, also Ryhope Grange Farm, throughout the 19th century - and into the 20th.  The Ryhope Grange buildings is apparently, as others have said, still there on the roadside with the garden centre behind.  It would be interesting if any kind soul could provide any photos of the current buildings (or indeed of any the old times).   

My wife's family is Lee - who intermarried a number of times with another Durham farming family, the Mallams.   

[el_torro]

Thank`s to everyone for their response, and oldspook, you can get a limited view of what`s left of the farm using the Google Map:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?near=SR2+9SU&q=grange+farm+nursery%2C+ryhope&f=p&btnG=Search+Maps&rl=1

The present day nursery appears to be encircled by private housing.

Anyone know of any websites re the A.T.S. in Sunderland around 1944?

Cheers,

Jim

[O1dgobbo]

Hello oldspook

Welcome to rootschat: I hope that you will enjoy it and find it helpful.

You say
"As an extra bit of info, my wife's ancestors farmed at Grange Farm, also Ryhope Grange Farm, throughout the 19th century - and into the 20th. "
This implies that Grange Farm was separate from Ryhope Grange Farm - if that is correct please can you tell us where Grange Farm was?

All the best

Gobbo

[Wearsider]

Whellan's 'History, Topography, and Directory of the County of Durham, 1894.' lists the following:

Ryhope
Farmers
Laws, Mansfield G, Ryhope grange
Lee, Miss Eleanor, Grange
Lee, George
Lee, Joseph, Ryhope grange
Mallam, Thomas, Ryhope grange

Burdon
Farmers
Mallam, George

Re photos, I may be going along that way during the next few days and if I do I will try and take photos of Ryhope Grange.

Wearsider.

[oldspook]

Gobbo et al

Thanks for prompt replies.  It is a bit unclear exactly where the various farmhouses were - but Ryhope Grange is the northern lot - which is I think still surviving, and just down the road on the east side was the Grange - now under housing and playing fields. 

Durham County Council's GIS on http://www.durham.gov.uk/durhamcc/usp.nsf/pws/gis+-+online+mapping
is marvellous for the early mapping up to the present day. I have used it a lot to find the old farms in the 1850s. Look at the circa 1894-1899 map to see clearly the two Granges.