Moses Baker born 1858 Basford Derbyshire

[moon]

hello,
does anyone have the following person in their tree please?
also looking for census info. ( i dont have access to ancestry)

there is a 1871 census of a Moses Baker born 1859 Ikeston, Derbyshire, son of william baker 48 glovemaker wife sarah 44, children mary, edward, moses, william, hannah, elizabeth, and a lodger at 5 slade st., ore and in the

1881 census they are listed as coal miners

but i dont think this is him

any ideas please, thanks

jennifer in canada

[suzard]

1861
park Rd
Ilkeston
Derbys
William baker head 38 Frame Work knitter
sarah wife 33 Housekeeper
John son 12 Iron Stone Miner
Francis son 10
Mary daughter 7
Edward son 5
moses son 2
William son 3mths

all b. Ilkeston
RG9 2437 48 40

This looks like the same family as 1871

I'm not sure waht you mean by "I don't think this is him"-do you mean the Moses you found in the 1881 is not him -if so is it because they were Coal miners
Frame Work Knitting and Coal mining were 2 of the main industries in Ilkeston at that time

Suz

[suzard]

It looks like the same family in 1881
5 Slade St
Ilkeston
William baker head M 58 Coal Miner
Sarah wife 54
Moses son 21 Coal miner
William son 19 Coal miner
Elizabeth daughter factory Worker
Levi father in law 48 Ag lab (retired)
all b Ilkeston
RG11 3326 89 36

They are at the same address in 1871 and 1881 -Moses and William have just changed occupations from Stone Miner to Coal miner -again not unusual

Suz

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Possibly his birth reg
Moses baker
Sept qtr 1858
basford
7b 92

This moses seems to disappear after 1881

There are a couple of other Moses bakers b. Ilkeston but they are quite a bit younger than this Moses.

What information do you have on him??

Suz

[moon]

hi Suz, thanks for all your work,

i was trying to determine if that moses on free bmd is the same moses on 1861,71 and 81 that you have looked up

do you think this moses on freebmd is the same moses as on the 3 censuses? there is a year difference, that is what i am trying to dertermine, is Basford near Ikleston (sorry i spelt in wrong on the original post) please?

that is what i am trying to determine before i order the cert. to see who his parent are?

we were thinking basford moses may have gone out of country but he didnt if he is the same person on freebmd and the 3 censuses , sorry this is so confusing...

jennifer

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Basford is a registration district which covers part of nottinghamshire and part of Derbyshire Ilkeston is one of the places which come under Basford district.


it is quite confusing being on the border -and there is also a town called Basford -which is in Nottinghamshire.

Remember when looking at BMD's it gives the registration district -which is not (necessarily) the town/village where they were born, but the registration DISTRICT -which can cover a wide area

Sorry about putting 1859 -it should be 1858-I will edit it

I cannot see any other birth reg which would fit.

Ages on census can sometimes be a little misleading - as the enumerator would only enter the age he was told -and depending on what part of the year the person was born can make a difference -

e.g. Moses was age 2 on 1861 census
His birth was registered (we think) July -Sept 1858
so July -sept 1859 he would be 1
and July-Sept 1860 he would be 2
mar/April at the time of the 1861 census he would still be 2

I live quite close to Ilkeston

Moses may well have left the country-as there is no sign of him on 1891/1901 census

Suz

[moon]

ok, that explains things now, thanks for all your hard work! and time, i think it is all the same person now,

jennifer

[suzard]

if you want the family looking up further back, please ask

Hopefully the certificate will be the correct one

Suz

[moon]

thank you for all your help! Merry Christmas and Happy New year! from Canada

jennifer