Moneypenny - Liverpool - 1861

[MissM]

Hi Ayla,

I did come across David, Eliza and Alfred living in Roache Street but not the others.

I think my ancestors who come from Ireland to Liverpool must be brothers or cousins of each other, but I haven't got too far in that direction yet!

Thanks for checking this out for me - I'll add it to my files until I can fit it in 

Lynne

[Marie Stuart]

Hi

This may not be of any help to you but I was in contact with (*) and I think he lived in Liverpool.
I am a Moneypenny descendant living near Belfast.
My family are the Moneypenny's Lock branch.

MM

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[MissM]

Hi marie,

I don't know why but I didn't receive notification of your post so i've just found it by accident!!  I was just browsing to make sure I'd posted in here 

I have tried extensively to find out about the Moneypenny's Lock families and I'm thrilled to see your message.  I have posted all over the place to find their names as I'm not getting anywhere with my GG Grandad matthew and I'm hoping he lived there.
I was given an address of Stephen Moneypenny in Belfast whom I wrote to but it either didn't reach him or he is unable to help, as I havent heard back.  I tried Craigavon Museum but my emails just bounced back and when I phoned, it wa just an answer phone.

I would be so grateful if you could share you family history with me.  I have kept records of every Moneypenny I've come across (right back to the first one!) and one day I hope to put them all on a website, showing their connections.

I think I may have already been in touch with Iain but we couldn't make a connection.

I am so excited to find your post!

Thanks for getting in touch!

Lynne

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[Ayla]

Hi Marie

I have been in touch with Iain too. Would be grateful to hear if you have anything on a David Moneypenny born circa 1820 who also emigrated to Liverpool and is probably a relative of Lynne's Moneypennys.  David's wife who he probably married before leaving Ireland was Eliza.

[MissM]

Hi Ayla,

I have got some more info on David but I haven't been able to connect him in to my tree yet.  See if this helps.

David B 1821 Ireland
Married Eliza b 1822 Ireland

1861
Living in Francis St, Toxteth with 7 children:
Mary b 1841 in Ireland and married Peter Ball 1871
Robert B 1843 ireland
William Henry B 1847 Armagh, m Ann E Reece 1881 and had 7 children
James B 1848 Liverpool, m Mary Miller in 1881, moved to Oxford by 1901, had 7 children
Sarah Ann B 1851 Liverpool, m Joseph Keating, had 3 children
David B 1857 Liverpool
Alfred B 1859 Liverpool
Charles Frederick B 1861

I have a little more on some of these families so if you have any questions, let me know.  Or if you have any idea where they might link into mine, PLEASE let ME know!!!


Lynne

[Missy2]

Hello Ayla,

This is an exciting morning for me.  My great great grandfather was, I think, the David Moneypenny you were referring to in a message to MissM.  He married  Elizabeth McKee who was born at Kedga Coloscommon, Broughton Parish, Ireland.  His birth date would have been 1818 - 1820.

My records show that they had two children, Mary and William, born in Armagh, Northern Ireland (and I have letters confirming this) and then had the following children born in Liverpool.  James, 2/8/1848 (my great grandfather), Sarah Ann, 1851, David, 1857; (died 1892), Alfred 3/7/1859 and Charles Frederick christened at St Peters Liverpool on 8/12/1861, (died 1868).

I have continuing records if you wish to know more.
Missy2
 

[MissM]

Hi Missy2

It was interesting to read your info today. 

Do you have a Matthew anywhere in your records?  I'm having trouble finding any Matthews anywhere in NI so all help is greatly apreciated!

I presume he was born in Armagh and he came to Liverpool via the Isle of Man where I have been able to trace my Cretney line back to 1606 thanks to Donna starting me off earlier in this post!

Look forward to hearing from you,

Lynne

[Missy2]

 :)Hi Lynne,

Yes, I have information on 2 Matthews (Mathew).  They are not my direct line, but I came across them when searching for my great grandfather James, whose father was David, also from Ireland.  I found them in the 1851 uk census.

Mathew Moneypenny, born Ireland, was married to Elizabeth, (neé ?) born Isle of Man.  His age was given as 42 and hers 46.  He was a policeman and they lived at 12 Carson Street, Everton, Lancs.  They had the following children - William 19; Sarah 16; Jane 10; Eliza 6; Ellen 3.  The children were all born in Liverpool. Lancs.

In the 1861 census,  Matthew's age was given as 60 and Elizabeth as 57.  Still at 12 Carson Street, Everton.  The children then at home were Jane 20; Ellen 14; and James 10, (when he appeared in the 1881 census I mistakenly thought belonged to me).

1871, there was only Matthew and Elizabeth and a boarder named Hugh whose surname was not listed so I suspect that it was also Moneypenny.  He came from Scotland and was 40 years old.  I have not checked the census for 1881 for Matthew and Elizabeth.

However, the 1901 census listed the following:
James Moneypenny, head of house (born abt 1856), his wife Jane Moneypenny (born abt 1864), sons Daniel (abt 1893), James (abt 1891), John (abt 1894), Matthew (abt 1885), Richard (abt 1881 and he appeared in the 1881 census as a baby of 2 months) and finally, William (abt 1887).  All the children were born in Liverpool.

I have a copy of the marriage certificate of this James Moneypenny.  When he married Elizabeth Jane Lewis, on 17/5/1880, he was a widow aged 26.  She was a spinster, aged 19.

James' father was Matthew Moneypenny, a police officer.
Elizabeth's was Richard Lewis, also a police officer.  Both James and Elizabeth's address was given as Great Homer street, and they were married at St Nicholas' Church, Liverpool.  (Elizabeth appears to be illiterate as her signature was marked with an X.)

I hope this will be of assistance to you in your search.

Noela

[MissM]

Hi Noela

Thank you for passing on all that info.  Sadly I already have most of it and those two Mathews are my G G Grandfather (abt 1809) who married Elizabeth Cretney of IOM, and Grandfather (1887) with G Grandad James (1852) in the middle.  It is previous to 1809 that I come unstuck.

In your note you mention a Daniel born in 1893 to James and Elizabeth Jane but I have him as David, who later married to Beatrice Walsham.  I see this isn't your David though. I do have a lot of your family line on my list but have taken some more info from your post to Ayla.

I'm pretty sure your GG Grandfather and mine were brothers or cousins because they came from the same area, were born roughly around the same time, and both came to Liverpool. 

I have loads of info on the first Moneypennys in Scotland right through to the 1600's in Ireland and then I lose the thread. I only have bits and bobs from then until Mathew was born in 1809 and can't make the connection back!  I then have more information on the Liverpool Moneypennys of the 1800's and a few others who moved away.

If you'd like to share any of it, once you find David's line, please just ask.  I really must try to put this on line sometime - I keep talking about it but it's just finding the time!

Best wishes cousin! 

Lynne