Moneypenny - Liverpool - 1861

[MissM]

I am trying to trace the family of my great grandfather, James Moneypenny , who was born in Liverpool in c 1856, and lived his adult life in the Everton area as a House Painter.

I am particularly interested in his parent's names.

I am presuming his family came from Everton but it could be Ireland!!!  I'm starting in Everton because a lot of Moneypennys ended up there.  Other Moneypennys lived in the Toxteth and West Derby areas of Liverpool.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Miss M

[munchies]

You don't say what you already have so here goes

1871 census
William Hubbard head marr ?39 mariner Liverpool
Jane wife 29 Liverpool
Mary A daur 7 Liverpool
Helena daur 5 Liverpool
James Moneypenny wifes brother 19 Clerk Liverpool

14 Carson St
RG10/3812 folio 41 page 22

Marriage of James Moneypenny in jun qtr 1880 Liverpool 8b 151 (no Elizabeth on same page though)

1881 census

James Moneypenny head 28 marr painter unemployed  Liverpool
Elizabeth wife 18 born Liverpool
Richard son 2mnths Liverpool
James Dixon boarder unm 19 painter unemployed Liverpool
 
address 7 Viceroy St
RG11/3670 folio 30 page 53

1891 census

can't find him

1901 census
James Moneypenny head marr 45 painter Liverpool
Jane wife 37 Liverpool
Richard son 20 Liverpool House jobber
Matthew son 16 Liverpool general labourer
William son 14 Liverpool shop boy
David son 8 Liverpool
James son 10 Liverpool
John son 7 Liverpool

1 China Street
RG13/3482 folio 35 page 1

Hope this helps
Donna

(??last 2 are her kids as they are listed after his)

[MissM]

Hi Donna,

Thank you so much for checking for me. 

I have a gap between 1851 and 1871 - the James you have discovered is my great grandfather and his son, Matthew is my Grandad.

I haven't seen the Carson Street entry before and that appears to be him too but with his sister Jane.  I do have a Jane in 1841 who is daughter of Mathew and Elizabeth, so I'm hoping she is James's sister making them my Great, Great grand parents!

Thanks for all your hard work - I'm thrilled with your findings!

Lynne

[munchies]

 


1851 census

12 Carson Street
RG 2189/2 page 339
Matthew Moneypenny head marr 42 Policeman Ireland
Elizabeth wife 46 Isle of Man
William son 19 Clerk Liverpool
Sarah daur 16 dressmaker Liverpool
Jane 10 scholar Liverpool
Eliza daur 6 scholar Liverpool
Ellen daur 3 scholar Liverpool
Elizabeth Lee cousin marr 24 Ireland
Henry Lee cousin marr 20 printer compositor Liverpool
Richard Madden lodger unm 23 Policeman Ireland

in view of same street between 1851 and 1871 I checked 1861

1861 census

9 Carson Street (all within the same house but in different rooms)
RG9 2711 page 120

Matthew Moneypenny head marr 60 Builders Labourer Ireland
Elizabeth wife 57 Isle of Man
Jane daur unm 20 scholar Liverpool
Ellen daur 14 scholar Liverpool
James son 10 scholar Liverpool

John Cleaton/Cleator head marr 33 builders labourer Isle of Man
Sarah wife marr 26 Isle of man
John J son 2 Liverpool

William Moneypenny head marr 30 Book-keeper Liverpool
Emma wife 27 Liverpool
Mary Ellen daur 5 Liverpool
John son 2 Liverpool

1871 census

9 Carson Street Everton
RG10/3812 folio 39 page 18
Matthew Moneypenny head 64 labourer Ireland
Elizabeth wife 67 Isle of man
Hugh Moneypenny lodger unm 63 Clerk Scotland
(fairly certain it is Do for dittoe but could be Lee written scrawly in view of earlier cousins)

RG10/3814 folio 63 pg6
18 Gordon St
William Moneypenny head marr 38 cotton porter Lancs Lpool
Emma wife 39 Lpool
Thomas son 5 Lpool

no definite for Sarah Cleator and family

Donna


PS checked 1841 just in case but can't find them there if you have an address for janes birth then will look again

[munchies]

IGI

William Moneypenny christening jan 1832 St Peter Liverpool
Sarah Ann christening aug 1834 Lezayre Isle of Man
Eliza christening aug 1837 St Peters Liverpool
Jane Ann christening jan 1841 St Peters Liverpool
Ellen christening jul 1847 St Peters Liverpool

Parents of all Matthew and Elizabeth Moneypenny
Sarahs mother Elizabeth Cretney

Marriage of Elizabeth Cretney and Matthew Maugpenny
2nd Aug 1830 St Nicholas Liverpool

Birth of Elizabeth Cretney
 Lezayre Isle of Man
19th Nov 1804
Parents Thomas Cretney and Elizabeth Moore
Marriage of Thomas Cretney and Elisabeth Moore Lezayre Isle of Man 13 sep 1803

I love searching 
Donna

[MissM]

WOW!  Donna, you are really impressing me now!  I can't believe the trouble you have gone too but I'm so grateful - I didn't have any clue to my great great grandmother's maiden name and didn't know where to start looking!

I don't know how to thank you.  For various reasons I am unable to visit the records office myself and was getting very frustrated searching the web so thank you again...  I'm off to check out my new family!

Warmly,
Lynne

[munchies]

If you post a request you may find someone going to records office in Liverpool who can look up the baptisms/marriages for you and see if there is any further info on them.

I may be going in next few weeks but can't guarantee it

Donna

[MissM]

Hi Donna,

Thanks for everything!

I've really filled out my family tree 

I'm trying to find out about Matthew (DOB c 1809) and his brothers now, as I suspect a few of them came over to Liverpool from Ireland, and as you probably know, a lot of  Irish records aren't available.   

And also of course, I'm checking out the IOm records now so lots to do!

Thanks again,
Lynne

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Do any of these Moneypennys link up with David Moneypenny born circa 1821 in Ireland , living in Roache Street Toxteth Paryk in 1881. He married Eliza (1822-1901).  Children included

(1) William Henry Moneypenny bn 1846 Ireland or Liverpool
(2) James Moneypenny bn 1849 Liverpool
(3) Alfred Moneypenny bn 1859 Liverpool
(4) Charles frederick Moneypenny bn 1861 Liverpool