Nicholas HARRY bC1834 St Stephen in Brannel

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quick question ....

when did John Harry leave for Brazil ?

deb

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Deb
I have replied to the PM.She lives in Australia.I need to do some work on her specific queries.She also might be able to help with documents.

Now after 9am here.I lost my wife 6 years ago next Feb.Life goes on.

Cold and wet here.Very stormy.We need the rain badly as we are in the middle of a drought.

Chili sounds great.

John Harry is reported to have left Cornwall to seek his fortune in South America,possibly after the tin mines closed (when was that?).He is said to have worked at several mines around the St Austell area including the Polgooth Mine.He may have worked his passage to South America and for this reason was recorded as a sailor somewhere.No mention of when (date) but must have been after 1851 when he was home Joseph was born April 1852.

Jane Hammer came from St Mewan and some of the children of Nicholas Harry and Jane were bpt. St Mewan.Nicholas Harry was buried St Mewan 11 Aug 1846.

Cheers
Rex

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Good morning Deb
Not sure if this helps but I think the widow Philippa Lynam may have been nee Hick(e)s.Their children as mentioned in Philippa (Lynam) Harry's Will when she died 1746 St Kew,with Lynam surname were:
Hannah 15 Feb 1714 =Thomas Martyn 25 Aug 1739 St Kew
Joane 2 Jun 1713 = George Tomms/Thomas 25 Apr 1738
William  date not known
John  date not known.
She also listed Harry children:
William31.12.1717
Dorethy 18 Oct 1719
Matthew 13 Oct 1731    ?? gap in dates unless adult bpt.
Richard  date not known but inherited bulk of Philippa's estate one year after her death.

John Lynam's Will was dated 15 Jan 1715.He was buried 16.Jan 1715.

I think the John Harry/Harris/Hary who married Rebecca Cleeve,may have been a brother of William.His father may have been John also.

Rex

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Deb
How do you see it so far?

My John Harry who married Rebeccaa Cleeve had a son John bpt 22 Sp 1735 who married Grace Orchard.
Their son Charles Harry who married Mary Nancarrow is the connection for the two groups if I am thinking clearly.

We are thinking that John Harry who married Rebecca Cleeve might be a brother of William who married Philippa Lynam.

I think I need a sleep.
Rex

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morning Rex

I'm on the hunt again ... LOL

That is what I am thinking ..That John = Rebecca is the brother of William =Philppa.... Obviously there is no way to prove it from where you and I are ... we need someone to look up the parish records ... arrgghhhh

Maybe we should lay it out generation by generation so that we can see it more clearly with names and dates and places of birth ...

who are we still looking for ... was it Henry Hammer Harry?

I found these marriages.... John Harry & Phillipa Wood 21 Dec 1697, Werrington

Johannes Harry & Katherina Skinard 13 Jul 1668 , St Kew ...this John is too old to be John possible father of William and John

Willielmus Harry & Elizabeth Kest 23 Oct 1662 , St Kew


ps do you have the will of John Harry , St Kew dated 1763?
more wills~ 
Harry, Eliz., St Austell 1760
 Harry, Wm, St Kew A. 1733
Harry, Wm, Truro 1752

Deb ... will look to see a marriage  of a John harry circa 1680 ...John was bc 1682, William 1688

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Good morning Deb
We have been hanging our hats on a John Harry/Harris marrying 15 Apr 1723 St Teath,Rebecca/Rebekah Cleeve.
They had children;
Joseph 17 Apr 1724 St Kew ? Harris
Edith 28 Aug 1726 St Kew ? Harris
Elizabeth 11 May 1729 St Kew ? Harris
Jennifer 18 Jan 1731 St Kew ? Harris
John 22 Sep 1735 St Kew ? Harry/Harey

I need to double check these as I was assured by a group in Cornwall that it was definitely Harris not Harry.
However we think it was the youngest child John b1735 who was the father of Charles Harry.

Assuming we are correct do you agree that it is at this point (Charles Harry) where the two groups we have been trying to link up,meet?
I agree we need someone to look up parish records.Any ideas?

I do have copies of the Wills of:
William Harry 1733  leaves all to his wife Philippa.
Philippa Harry 147 beneficiaries 4 Lynam children and 4 Harry children.
John Harry 1645 beneficiaries wife Hon.??,daughter Elizabeth Bennett,daughter Mary Harry,Richard Dagg,,granddaughters ? difficult to read.
John Harry 1763 wife appears to be Margaret,son Richard.I will spend more time trying to transcribe.


There are a few more I have but more recent generations.

How do you suggest we lay out the generations? ie direct line only as there are many children and side branches.Could I email you?

Rex

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hi Rex

I know no-one who could do parish lookups in Cornwall .... You could post a seperate thread ... on the lookup request board for anyone who might be able to help ....

the Igi definitley says that John HAREY had parents : John HAREY and Rebecca. There are no other children listed for them .... I wonder if John HARRIS = Rebacca CLEAVE is NOT JOhn HAREY =Rebecca ??

I was thinking that for clearer thinking it may be possible to lay them out : Not sure how though...
maybe you could stat with you direct line and work backwards but not include all the siblings ...then you could start with the other Harrys in St Austell and work back ...arrgghhhhh ...

this is so hard to do online , isn't it .... at least you have far more info on the Harry people ....it does seem like some of them liked to be married (over and Over LOL )

deb

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Thanks Deb
Not only did they like getting married but they liked lots of kids.My great grandparents (John Hammer Harry and Elizabeth Ann Wellington) had at least 15 kids born El Dorado via Beechworth Australia.
We didn't ever find him 1861 prior to coming to Australia.

I checked the IGI for the Harry/Harris children .All recorded as Harris except for John 22 Sep 1735 recorded as Harey.The children (5) were all born a couple of years apart commencing 1724 one year after John and Rebecca married St Teath by Banns.They were both of St Kew.I think we have the correct family.Perhaps they were'nt sure themselves.Probably illiterate.The name was also Rebekah on one of the IGI entries.

I think I will post a seperate thread on the look up request board.Not only Harry/Harris but / if John had a brother William.

Someone is researching Charles Harry and Mary Nancarrow on RootsChat but do not appear to have advanced their research.
Rex

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Hi Rex..

My family liked kids as well ...I am from the Gypsy Penfold line (also lived in St Austell) ...my nan was one of 17...sometimes the 1st children were at least 20 years older that the younger ones ... so the generations get a little confused ..LOL

maybe we should post this threads link to the other person who is searching for the Harry/Nancarrow info ....

I will have another go at searching for John hammer Harry in 1861... do you have all the info you need on his wife ... Elizabeth ann Wellington ....she was born in cornwall too, wasn't she ?

deb