MURRAY in South Australia

[deeiluka]

There's heaps more information about descendants of John and Alison if you would like it.....just let me know. I don't want to add more than you want.    

I cannot find births for the other children though....maybe they just weren't registered. And I can't find deaths either.....

.....dee

[Walcha72]

Good morning all,

Thanks so much for all the information you've found so far.  I really appreciate it.

Dee, if you can find info on John and Alison's descendants, that would be great.  It all helps.

Thanks once again for all your help.

Debbie

[deeiluka]

Debbie....I'll PM you in a little while.....

......dee

[Walcha72]

Hi everyone,

Dee has very kindly PM'd me lots of info on John and Alison's children and grandchildren, which has been very much appreciated.

While surfing during my lunch time, I've managed to find a link to Mt Crawford Presbyterian Cemetery, complete with photos of all but one of the headstones of this family!!  How exciting!!

I thought you might all like to see the following 2 plaques that have been placed in the cemetery.  I am particularly excited to learn about John's involvement with the establishment of the merino flock in South Australia.  I grew up on a fine wool merino property and am currently involved in the auctioning of livestock, so this information is of particular interest to me.

Thanks once again for all your help.

Debbie

Images Removed Please see

http://www.australiancemeteries.com/sa/barossa/mtcrawfordpresbdata.htm

[deeiluka]

Very interesting, Debbie, to see that Alexander Borthwick Murray was brother to John! I kept seeing him in various records and noticing naming similarities among children!

Re the Murray family and Rhine Park .....if you visit the State Library of South Australia website, http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm
& search the catalogues and select the South Australiana Database,
you can find a picture of the homestead from approximatley 1870.

.....dee

[deeiluka]

You can also find photographs of John and Alexander Borthwick Murray, and John Murray Junior and Thomas Hope Murray.

There's lots of reference material listed as well, including obituaries. The State Library has an electronic enquiry form that might be useful to you.

.....dee

[mountcrawford]

Hello

Web have a Murray of Langshaw Burn Research Unit here in Williamstown South Australia - and we are collecting as much information about th Murray's as possible - if you are going to publish a document we would like to know about it - so that we can source accordingly or let people know accordingly.

[Twiglees]

I have just joined RootsChat and have found your message about the Murrays of Mount Crawford. My 3x ggrandmother was Helen Paterson, daughter of George Paterson & Jean Welsh of Eskdalemuir. She married Thomas Hope, who I believe was born in High Stanriggs, Half Morton, Dumfriesshire. Family legend has it that Thomas and Helen eloped to Gretna Green. Their numerous children included Jackie Welsh Hope who married Adam Murray and most of their children were born at Langshawburn where Helen Paterson Hope died in 1878. Many of their children went to New Zealand, some after a spell in Australia. Another daughter, Alison Hope, married John Murray. The family went to Australia and most settled around Mount Crawford. A third daughter, Isabelle, married Walter Murray of Liddesdale and had numerous children about whom I know little.
There is a Judgement of the Court of Session, which sets out the relatives of William Paterson, Helen's younger brother. One of George Paterson's grandsons, John Archibald Irvine, disappeared in Australia at the time of the Forest Creek Gold Rush circa 1858. He was declared dead and his share of his uncle's estate was distributed amonst the rest of the family - thus the Court Judgement.
Hope this helps but let me know if I can help further. N.

[Walcha72]

Hi Twiglees,

I would love to compare further information with you on the Paterson and Hope families.  I am descended from Helen HOPE and John MARTIN so mostly have information on them, but have managed to track down a fair bit of other info on the other branches as well.

If you make a third posting on Rootschat you'll be able to send me a Personal Message and then we can exchange email addresses etc.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Debbie