John Shaw of Dulwich

[peter laugharne]

I AM LOOKING FOR THE ORIGIN OF jOHN sHAW OF dULWICH WHO MARRIED ELIZABETH LEVENS. ELIZABETH DIED ABOUT 1810.

THEY ARE BELIEVED TO HAVE HAD A SON JOHN SHAW A WHEELWRIGHT IN DULWICH.

A POSSIBLE GRANDSON WAS GEORGE SHAW WHO MARRIED AMELIA RAMSHAW IN 1839, A BUTCHER IN DULWICH.

PLEASE CONTACT IF YOU HAVE ANY DETAILS OF THE SHAW FAMILY PRIOR TO GEORGE SHAW

[jennifer c]

Hi, There is a John Shaw Wheelwright listed in Dulwich in Holden's Directory of 1811. No other information given.

Jennifer

[Valda]

MARY SHAW 
Christening:  15 APR 1770   Dulwich College, Dulwich, London
Father:  JOHN SHAW
Mother:  ELIZ. 

JOHN SHAW P
Christening:  26 APR 1772   Dulwich College, Dulwich, London
Father:  JOHN SHAW   
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

WILLIAM SHAW
Christening:  01 MAY 1774   Dulwich College, Dulwich, London
Father:  JOHN SHAW
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

JOHN SHAW
Christening:  01 FEB 1778   Dulwich College, Dulwich, London
Father:  JOHN SHAW 
Mother:  ELIZABETH

John was still alive on the 1851 census a wheelwright in Dulwich

THOMAS SHAW
Christening:  04 JUN 1780   Dulwich College, Dulwich, London
Father:  JOHN SHAW   
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

Thomas was still alive in Dulwich on the 1841 census - a carpenter

There are three Prerogative Court of Canterbury wills for Shaws in Dulwich
Will of Elizabeth Shaw, Widow of Dulwich , Surrey 17 January 1820 PROB 11/1624 
Will of Thomas Shaw, Carpenter of Dulwich , Surrey 23 September 1846 PROB 11/2042 
Will of Thomas Shaw, Carpenter of Dulwich , Surrey 04 December 1852 PROB 11/2164


ELIZAB. SHAW 
Christening:  23 FEB 1809   Dulwich College, Dulwich, London
Father:  THOS. SHAW   
Mother:  ELIZ.

THOS. SHAW 
Christening:  23 FEB 1809   Dulwich College, Dulwich, London
Father:  THOS. SHAW 
Mother:  ELIZ. 

This Thomas was still alive on the 1851 census in Dulwich a carpenter employing 4 men

Potential marriage for George Shaw

Marriages Dec 1839   
SHAW  George     Lambeth  4 287
possible spouse 
WALTERS  Amelia     Lambeth  4 287   

Have you accessed George's marriage details to see who the name of his father was and what his occupation was especially since this Shaw family all seem to have been wheelwrights and carpenters.
 
Regards

Valda

[peter laugharne]

Thank you Jennifer C and Valda for the information provided. It was very kind of you to reply.

[gracem]

Amelia & George were my Gt Gt Granparents. I have their certificate, Image of Amelia's first marriage, her fathers will, detail of marriage bond of John Shaw wheelwright to Elizabeth Graves? in 1769, details from 'A gazetter of Dulwich Roads & Place names' which claims that John Shaw & William Levens (builder) built the east end of what is now Boxall Road (was Row), baptisms of Georges siblings (but frustratingly not of George). Are you still researching the Shaw's? Do you have any other information? Are you interested in the Ramshaws too?

[peter laugharne]

Hi,

I too am a great grandson of George Shaw and Amelia Ramshaw.

My Grandfather was Edwin Herbert Shaw, a pork butcher, of Camberwell, and his siblings were Amelia and George. I have no data on these two and would welcome any nformation you have.

My father was Jack Herbert Shaw, a cabinet maker of Streatham, London. His brother Thomas Edwin Shaw, also a cabinet maker, has a son who still lives in Dulwich.


George Shaw's, father was John Shaw, wheelwright, of Dulwich, who married Mary, and, he had three siblings, Mary, John and William. Their father was John Shaw of Dulwich who I believe married Elizabeth Levens. If you can take the tree back farther than this I would be very interested.

I have a copy of Elizabeth's will.  I also have my own write up of the family which you are very welcome to have a copy of if you would send me your email.

I would welcome any information on Amelia Ramshaw.


Peter.

[gracem]

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Amelia's father was James a copper plate printer based in Fetter Street. His wife was Mary Morgan (m 1795). James died in 1855 and left a will in which he names his children (first name only) as William, Annie, Frances, Ellen and Amelia. There was an older son James William and a younger daughter Jessy Mary. They both died in 1845, James W(b 1798) having married Rachel Kibberd (1826) and moved to Southampton, Jessy M (b 1815) having married William Moorey (1839). William (b 1800) m Sarah? and died after 1871 also a printer, Annie (b 1802) m Thomas Burtenshaw (1826), Frances (b?) m Walter Hanson (1825) (their daughter Frances Mary Hanson kept house for James - 1841 and 1851) , Ellen (b 1806) m Joseph Charles (1826) and Amelia (1810) m John Walters (1829) and George Shaw (1839). Most of these events took place at St Dunstans in the West. I also have details of a Mary m 1816 to Benjamin Warwick the witnesses being James Ramshaw and James Ramshaw jnr. Is this 'the eldest sister' of Amelia, the witnesses Amelias brother and father  or Amelias aunt and the witnesses Amelias father and grandfather?
James W's children ..one was a draughtsman and one a clerk in the Ordnance Survey office in Southampton. I also found reference to an early map having been printed by Ramshaw London. Before Fetter Lane the Ramshaws were of Lombard St, Fleet St.
Of the Shaws - Amelia, George and Edwin Herbert were from one marriage and I am descended from a later one- to Charlotte Mary Elizabeth Sharvell in 1897. CME wrote her 'life' and met George through her friend Nellie whose mother had recently married George but was ill and dying. I think CME had been sweet on Nellies brother Alf who shortly after also died having become an alcoholic. Do you know of any other marriages?.
Some of George and Amelias children were bapt in St Dunstans -Amelia & Eliza 1851
Joohn Shaw I think m Mary Golding at St Geo Southwark and had Thomas, George, John, Mary, Elizabeth, Sarah and Emma the last three being baptised at Dulwich College. I haven't either John or Mary's death but they were both alive in 1851.
Johns parents I have as John & Elizabeth Graves who according to an index at www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/corporation/wills where there are wills and marriage bonds married in 1769. I have in my notes that I need to look at the original..could be that someone has mis-read Graves instead of Levens? You thought it was Levens and I have John building property with William Levens so I suspect you are right. Maybe a marriage bond would give their parents??


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[gracem]

If anyone else is looking for Dulwich Shaw family I have Wills that take the family back to Nuthurst

[sarah]

Hello Grace,

It is only Peter who is researching this family on this thread, sadly his email has stopped working and sadly we are no longer able to notify him of new replies.

Regards

Sarah