Early NZ? birth help please Cooke/Cook

[mare]

ANOTHER  late night you 2.
 I'll have to look at those lists tonight for the new names.
Interesting re names change, I knew you could use different names obviously but must be nightmare for Govt Depts if they have to sort out correct ones, at least we only have 2 close versions.
Back later and thanks again

Mare

[mare]

  Took me a while but came up with one good match right at the end for birth of Rose Anna Cook 1883 Charleston #515

Closest I could find for a marriage possibility for her
1920 Rose Hannah Cook to Leonard Andrew Young #5183

Couldn't find a death entry for Rose Anna

Closest I could find for a birth for Ellen  was 
Helen Cook 1874 Greymouth #225

4 poss marriage entries for Ellen between 1896 and 1919
1900 to Andrew Stevens #3484
1904 to Thomas Cook #3261
1910 to Walter Penwell #4273
1916 to Harold Oliver Scott #2411
If the marriage entries had place of marriage on them could be more selective

Unable to find Eliza death

There was an Eliza Hall visitor with Abraham's family UK census 1871 aged 32, she may have married into the family.

Putting 2 and 2 together gradually together with heaps of help from Lucy2 and Mark2 

Mare

[mare]

Hi again

Received today the death printout for Charlotte COOK

death 11 Sept 1891
age 72 yrs
parents William and Frances Smart
when and where buried 15 Sept at Orawaiti
born Cambridge England
how long in NZ 30 years
where married London aged 21 to Aner cook ( Aner not written clearly it looks a bit like Enoch )

Issue  BLANK
informant undertaker Westport.

Disappointing

BUT

Good news is I was contacted by pm yesterday by a grandchild of William Robert COOK and we're working through assembling information between us which isn't a lot but helpful to us both. There is one very big PLEASE help from any other rellies who may have any photos for both of us of any of the Cook family ( or even one kind soul with a sole one ) as at present between us we just have the very few of Aner I mentioned. I guess another avenue would be to track Emma's Allen line which I haven't attempted yet, there may be some there. Prison may also be able to turn up something if they photographed wardens.

I no longer need help for William and Emma family names, as now have the 2 daughters' names and their marriages

May Dorothy Cook  birth year unsure  could only see a Dorothy May born Auckland 1898

and Mary Charlotte Cook born Napier 1909

May married William Newman 1929
Mary married Herbert Culver 1968  her death 1985

Mare

[mare]

William Robert COOK  age still a mystery

another cert ref by grandchild gives his age in 1909 as 39 and Emma's 40

I had another quick look at 1870 but no match again


But I have a little scenario

maybe a "Brighton' "  (Mk_2 that was just for you  to go with the Smartin) but enough chaff from the ole grey mare

baby Aner born March 1861 to Abraham and Anna may have been brought up by William and Charlotte as their son and named William

what do you think ??  he isn't on the next census with Abraham and Anna and Walter their older son came to NZ at some point and was with Aner and Charlotte'

William may just have assumed because he grew up in the area that he was born in Brighton ( which wasn't named Brighton until 1867 )

I guess I'm just back to where I started and may never know

Mare

[mare]

William Robert COOK   Recap on ages/years  from cert info (aka William Robert Martin Cook)

marriage 1895 age 26 = 1869
birth son 1901 age 35 = 1866
birth dau 1909 age 39 = 1870
death     1953 age 92 = 1861

and depending in which month he was born of course

he's a right'n and maybe that's where the Charlie comes in 
( and some family from Marton wouldn't you know it  )

[Lucy2]

Hi again Mare

Well I guess we should be none too surprised at learning that the "issue" column on Charlotte's death cert., shows as a blank ?    More positively though, further "confirmation" that Charlotte and Aner COOK have arrived in NZ around 1861.

It appears that the child Aner COOK - born London - 1861 to Abraham Robert and Anna Maria COOK, has died.
FREE BMD UK shows a birth registered for "Aner COOK - June quarter - 1861 - St. Lukes";   and a death in the same registration period, also St. Lukes.
[ Aner COOK's baptism, (on IGI), just 12 days after his birth,
 may hint that this child was not expected to live long] ?

If perchance, there remains 20 bucks in the kitty, Mare - (yes, an expensive "hobby" this is) - the death "printout" for Walter Robert COOK (1923), would be worthwhile obtaining ?      To confirm  - (a)  his parentage, (we're only speculating at present, that the chap in Brighton / Charleston, is the nephew of Aner and Charlotte) .... and (b) "Years in NZ".      If he has arrived after say 1870, "he's off the hook", BUT, if prior to that, then there's the possibility he may have fathered an "illegitimate" child?    (Perhaps a child "adopted" by Aner and Charlotte) ?

Who know's what his death cert. might reveal 

Some kindly, fellow RootsChatter, may also do for you,  a look-up of the probate record for Walter Robert COOK - 1923, held at Archives, Christchurch ?

Lu

[mare]

Thanks again Lu for your suggestions and a great help as usual

I hadn't thought of getting Walter death printout but as you say it may give us another idea and I certainly hadn't given a thought of him as a possible parent of William. You've seen so many twists and turns in your own lookup Vic -Mge currently growing amazingly on Aus board I guess anything is possible. At least I only had an E in the Cook name variation to puzzle over and I have to be thankful now that Aner had an uncommon first name.

Abraham and Anna were not young parents of baby Aner either and I thought Charlotte may have 'taken him in' but I wasn't aware that the death was registered in the same quarter, I did notice early baptism and thought they may have done that before setting out for NZ.  If only there were more records to scan of all those early sailings. I originally presumed he had not lived long as not on next census and neither was Walter but he would have been approx 24 in 1871 and probably in NZ, or independently elsewhere. Perhaps the next step is to see Walter's 'how long in NZ' and 'issue' on death printout. Christine we do need a 'eureka' moment with those shipping lists.

Mare

[Mk2_Zephyr]

 A couple of things,

 That book entry were it said the FIRST birth was a Cook, I think this is a clue.

 Second, there weren't that many births in NZ in those days and it would be possible to scan thru ALL the births, relative to the region, looking for a William Robert ......   

and just  another, William Robert Cooks death notice in paper or Will would sort the rest of the kids out.

[Lucy2]

Hi Mare   ...  and  ...  Zephyr

Mare,  ...  "anything is possible",  sure is the way to think, in this game !           

.... Zephyr .... that Brighton info in the book, which I dug up, I really think needs to be treated with great caution !
Why? ... well, I didn't / couldn't find those c. 1867 births which were quoted (James COOK) and the other ....  AND .... there aint no record of the KINGSTON / McKEE marriage ... for any year !     

Lu