Early NZ? birth help please Cooke/Cook

[Lucy2]

....    1861  ....

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,273423.0.html


 

[Mk2_Zephyr]

!!!!!

Well how was that for 3 am kicker.

So an Aldophus Cook was sailing around in 1861, had 2 kids born in NZ, one a WILLIAM R COOK born 1865 ish  and was back in UK by 1881.

and that Walter Robert now looks more likely too, amazing how having the rest of the story helps. 

Next thing is how come, THAT Will Rob didn't show up ?

[mare]

Hi

!! 3 am for me sometimes too but I can't allow myself to be too distracted as have huge workload on and already getting little sleep.

Happy really  to do a 'final cert' can do Charlotte death.

Witness for Aner death R Fleming Warder of Hospital Charleston.

Mk-2  I  have William Robert as an only child of Aner and Charlotte  arriving c1861 NZ

the Walter Robert appears to be Aners nephew, son of Abraham aged 15 1861

Off to work again now

Mare

[Mk2_Zephyr]

yep, thats what i meant, good possibility that Walter is Abes son.

and that William R on the 1881c  isn't William Robert, tho he was born 1865 in NZ.

Interesting morning,

No William Robert Martin that fits the bill.

No William Robert Cook(e)      1859 - 1869

but
Now fairly sure the change to COOKE was a turn of century thing.

Possible births:
1896:    John Eric Norman COOK         [262]  New Plymouth
1897:    William Robert COOK              [...]     New Plymouth

1901:    Aner Charles COOKE                                   "

Possible marriages:
1921:     John Eric COOKE   m  Margiritte Louise MOONEY  [06402]
1924:     William Robert COOKE  m  Annie Elizabeth NORTON  [09972]

E. roll  1924
John Eric COOKE    Clerk        Bretts Ave, Takapuna
Madge COOKE       married                       "


Now fairly sure William was not a birth child of Aner and Charlotte.
 I believe the MARTIN addition after his parents deaths is definitely some clue and if John Eric Norman is Williams kid, I think another clue.

Maybe you should try for J E N Cook birth or marriage ?


my 2 cents and your 15 minutes, 

Good Luck

[cmclayton]

Hi Mare, Lucy2 and Mk2 Zephyer


Have found the following passengers travelling on a ship leaving Victoria.

COOKE CHARLOTTE - age 28 - ship EUREKA - left JAN 1862 - for PORT CHALMERS JAN 1862
COOKE WILLIAM - age 30 - ship EUREKA - left JAN 1862 - for PORT CHALMERS JAN 1862

How can't be to many Charlotte Cooke (correct spelling) coming into New Zealand but husband is William just to spice things up.

Regards Christine


 

[Lucy2]

Hi     

A good mornings' work Zephyr (and matchsticks to keep ya "peepers" open too, no doubt -  after the 3 AM effort) ?

William Robert now looking likely to be an "informally" adopted son of Charlotte and Aner (unless Charlotte's death cert tells otherwise) ?     There is always the possibility that a surname has been transcribed incorrectly.    Some of the handwritten lists on the birth index cause a degree of headscratching at times.    Faded pages  ... spidery script - "COOK" could also be "Coak" / "Cock" / "Cork"  etc.  ??   Same applies to the old passenger lists.

COOK  versus  COOKE :    Appears the "E" has been added only at births of the children of William Robert and Emma ?
The e/rolls and Wises directory listings for Aner/Charlotte and for William Robert, all show up as COOK.   Likewise the UK census records show COOK to be the spelling.

[Aner - blacksmith ?    1878 Brighton - only a handful of businesses remaining - in particular, 1 blacksmith (probably Aner himself) ?      Lots of horses about - only 1 blacksmith -a "jack-of-all-trades" ....  horse doctor ?    "Veterinary surgeon"   ??  ].

Madge COOKE :  (Marriage witness, of Takapuna)  =
Marguerite Louise MOONEY  [the wife of John Eric COOKE] ?
("Madge"  dim. for Margaret, Marguerite).

"MARTIN"   -  a clue ?     Yes, well I had thought this may have been his original surname ??     Odd, "Martin"  only appears on his cert. for first marriage ?   [Hmmm  .... extra name ...  an "e" added to COOK  ...  might he have been just simply trying to impress Emma ... or his new parents-in-law]  ??     

Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi Christine

I think you are probably on the right track in hunting for a voyage from AUS  to a South Island port.    Seems there were though, huge numbers of vessels headed to the West Coast during the gold rush .... but sadly not a lot of passenger lists in existence.

[Charlotte / William COOKE - "Eureka" - 1862  - aged 28 & 30  ?     Hmmm  ...  Charlotte shows as being aged 41 on 1861 UK census  ...  perhaps she could have "knocked a few years off " ?    But no "Aner" on list ?] .

Lu     

[mare]

  I trudged to work thinking William had better not now be James Cook after all our endeavours    I knew you were waiting for me to say that 

You have all done so much again and I appreciate it thanks

Brighton.. If it wasn't called Brighton until 1867 I'm back to the age I thought he was first, however I looked in that Cook birth index and very few Cook births that year and no James, William, Robert or Charles. ( there was a Charles Cook Timaru and 2 William Henry Cook Auckland and Tauranga.)The only West Coast Cook birth I can find that year is an Ernest William Montrose Cook.

There was a James Cook born Motueka 1862 and a William Cook in 1862 Mt Grey then a James in Dunedin 1863 then a Robert in Dunedin 1864 and none of those names 1865. Think I'd better stick to WILLIAM c1861 even though can't find any registration. The only year I haven't asked for a lookup 1860's is 1864.

1896 and 1897 births New Plymouth look perfect for William's older boys great find thanks Mk-2 Zephyr. Ages of children on William Robert death 1953 were males 62. 61. 52. females 60. 44.  No issue 2nd marriage to Kathleen. See they both picked up an 'E' on marriage as you say turn of century name change starting with Aner 1901. So confusing. but that 1924 roll clinches it for John Eric Norman and another William Robert eh.

Findmypast ships leaving UK after 1890 so no good to me on this one ( haven't found any of my later ones leaving on that site either anyway )

With all your help and time spent  I'm so much further on and a further $40 away from a little more.... willl send for Charlotte's death printout first.

Thanks a million
Mare

[mare]

stray thought maybe not very smart   

Smart  is Martin