Early NZ? birth help please Cooke/Cook

[mare]

Hi again

Silly me not thinking clearly well past bedtime .. Williams parents on 1861 census London without him so will ask birth lookup 1861/62/62 just to cover it

Mare

[mare]

Hello

good news first  post delivered today death certificate for my William Robert COOK, nice and straightforward seeing as Lu had given exact date 12 July 1953.   

where born = Brighton...how long in NZ 92 years.. father Aner Cook Veterinary Surgeon, mother Charlotte Cook nee Smart. Married New plymouth aged 28 yrs to Emma Allen, Children 3 male 2 female, all living 1953. 52 yr male my Aner Charles COOKE born 1901.

I do have another marriage cert to apply for, William married aged 75 yrs to Kathleen Dorothy McDonogh. Found year 1937 in Cook marriage index and found her death in 1960 in Cook death index, also cremation details Purewa Cemetery Auckland.

While looking through the Cook Death index I found William's father Aner 1888 in Charleston and Charlotte Cook 1891 Buller Westport.  There was also an Amos 1912 Chch and an Amos 1942 Chch could be connection

not so good news
William Robert Cook birth, none the wiser have three certs 3 different ages now and no word from BDM on lookup yet. Hoping I didn't miss an email as computer compacted Sept 29 to Dec 22 inbox into 'someplace I can't find'   I had just checked inbox though and am hoping to get another post delivery...any day now

I'm believing Brighton birth NZ now especially as I have his parents in sight here.  If he was never actually registered as BDM suggested, how did he get on without a birth certificate or didn't it really matter then?   

Mare ... quite

[mare]

sorry had to leave something out 

Cook death index  found possible Emma ... Rangitikei 1930 

Mare

[Lucy2]

Hi Mare

Great news that you've found Aner and Charlotte COOK on the COOK /COOKE listing of BDM's.

Ah .... BRIGHTON, New Zealand  .... not surprised it's been hard to find  .... it is now apparently known as "Tiromoana".
(Located on West Coast - 1866, the mining camps / setttlements of Charleston, Brighton and Addisons were in the Nelson Province and Provincial District)
"Google" for further information - "Charleston", "Brighton"
~ Wikipedia has good descriptions of these places.

.... and here's Aner COOK ... (and, a "Walter Robert" ?) ...

BULLER ELECTORAL ROLL  -   1879 - 80

>    COOK - Aner - shop and dwelling, Main Street, Brighton
                   (household qualification)
>    COOK - Walter Robert - house, (iron ?)

1882 - 84

>    COOK - Aner - Blacksmith, Brighton (residential qual.)

1885 - 86

>    COOK - Aner - Brighton - blacksmith (res. qual.)
>    COOK - Walter Robert, miner, Charleston (res. qual.)

?  I'm wondering if this Walter Robert COOK might be the son of Abraham Robert and Anna Maria (1861 UK census) ?

Does Walter Robert COOK appear in the COOK BDM listing -  is there a death perhaps ?

Not sure whether you've ordered printout for William's second marriage yet ? ....

>    COOK - William Robert
>    McDONOGH - Kathleen Dorothy
>    (*)
              _________________________________

Lu

(*) Moderator Comment:
Information deleted as it is likely to contravene NZ law (BDMRR Amendment Act 2008)

[mare]

   Lu really 

Thanks for that must have been a bit tired trawling through those Cook indexes last night , I see now that the (*) marriage is Robert William   
... I wasn't sure if ordering it would throw me anything new on him  (another alt. age maybe ) but would give me her details. I will go for the death cert Aner in Charleston for starters I think. Still haven't seen anything on the lists that could be our William's birth but I don't expect it to be fully complete anyway but fingers still crossed for BDM search.

  Interesting on Brighton, so it isn't the Dunedin one but West Coast. I've been looking at all the shipping again and still haven't come up with anything there.
I've made a start on West Coast Times, Cook, Veterinary Surgeons, nothing yet.  No cemetery online records for Buller district.

I will go through those Cook indexes again, ( I resent the Cooke marriage one to other computer and I can open it now ) have looked at all a few times but will give them another go. I saw an Abraham Cook 1903 death Dunedin and another Amos Cook death Chch 1947.

 Aner was a farrier UK so blacksmith makes sense, perhaps Walter was helping forge iron.

I'll keep you posted and thanks heaps for your input.

Mare

(*) Moderator Comment:
Information deleted as it is likely to contravene NZ law (BDMRR Amendment Act 2008)

[mare]

Hi

Cook death index  1923 Walter Robert COOK  #535  Buller  1 qtr

also
Cook marriage index
COOK Walter Robert
ATKINSON Celia Frances
1908  #7325

Mare

[Lucy2]

WISES DIRECTORY  -  1878-79

>   COOK - Amos* - blacksmith, Brighton

>   COOK - Mrs -  dressmaker,  Brighton

*Amos  .... Mmmm .... interesting     


[I think these people are most likely Aner and Charlotte?
Walter Robert COOK does not appear in directory] .

Lu

[mare]

Hi Lu

I'm sure you're right, they are most likely my pair.  Amos/Aner curious why names change, both biblical names as was brother's name Abraham. He was definitely named as Aner on certs I've seen so far but, as with his grandson Aner's certs, must be open to interpretation as couple of times has been rewritten in caps beside or above name and comment made on the Cooke index. The UK census had him as Amos. They don't really sound alike for mixup though. I don't know the names of William's children yet, 2 brothers and 2 sisters but I'm picking an Amos! seeing a couple on index.

I'm not expecting William to have siblings?? as Aner and Charlotte were in their mid forties in 1861 census with no children (unless any they had had left home) Wondering even if William was born in Brighton but not to them?? Would it have to mention adopted on his marriage and death certs? I'm still trying to stay patient on the lookup for his birth. I've certainly found out a lot of interesting snippets while waiting though. Hope information is helping someone else too.

Mare

[mare]

Hello again 

William Robert Martin Cook  ?? ??  Still nothing from BDM Wellington for his birth lookup unfortunately 1861/62/63

Today I received his father's death printout

Aner Cook  miner died Charleston 22 July 1888
Name and Surname of Father William Cook
Maiden Surname of Mother McKeown
Where born Sussex England
How long in New Zealand 27 yrs
Where married London England aged 28 yrs to Charlotte Smart

but.... the column I wanted... If Issue living state Number  Age and Sex .. . is blank 

It does appear Aner and Charlotte came to NZ in 1861 after UK census April 1861

William's death cert states 92 yrs NZ so points to 1861 too

Don't really have anywhere to go but sideways now and don't have names of my William's other 4 children, only his son Aner. Choices possibly William, Amos, or Abraham for the 2 boys  and  did he give them Cook or Cooke  There was a Madge Cooke witness at Aner's wedding to Vera so guess that is one sister.

Any suggestions welcome, any help from 'knowing' Cook or Cookes welcome 

Despite not getting any further with the birth search through the 1860's for William I have been pleased with all the help and information I have received from my first foray on Rootschat. Thanks EVERYONE   

Mare