LIFFORD 1841 1851 1861

[Eyesee]

That William would appear to be the one who was in the Workhouse in 1861 in Leyton in Essex. He was a bricklayer aged 71, born Dorking, Surrey.

Possibly him in the Greenwich Workhouse in 1851 as William LIFFIN, a bricklayer aged 65. Although his birthplace was given as Lewisham in Kent.

Ian C

[jesstidd]

TURNER and LIFFORD family happen to be mine. Ann Caroline ( nee Lifford) daughter of Daniel Lifford is my great gran married to James Turner 1841
Regards LEE I would say he is probably a lodger as in one census it says Father to Ann and another Father in law which none are true.
Matihilda emigrated to Tasmania Australia about 1867 according to my contact.
Thomas Coleman to George 25 and Mary 25 all emigrated to Tasmania. Thomas 1847 there abouts and son and daughter followed a few years later.
These are cousins and uncle to Ann whose mother was Mary Coleman.

jessie

[slifford]

I have a Lifford family tree which states

Daniel Lifford  born 1797 died west ham 1854 married Mary ? born c1792 died west ham 1830
Children to Daniel and Mary :-

  Ann Caroline  b1821  died 1900
  Daniel  b 1823 died 1824 (16month)
  Sarah   b 1824
  twins died 4 days old
  Matilda  b 1827 died 1897 Tasmania
  Daniel  b 1830  died 1830 aged 7 weeks

I have not confirmed any of these but my side of the family has been very accurate
I am decended from Joseph Lifford born Betchworth 1797 bricklayer.
I have considerable information about the Liffords from Betchworth and have examined  Betchworth church records

[jesstidd]

In reading your letter I am thrilled to say you have given me more than I knew of my grt grt grandmother.  Your infomation of Daniel Lifford married to Mary agrees with my tree. I would love to know should you know Marys' parents.
Ann Caroline is my grt grandmother and as far as I knew there was only her and her sister Matilda and I had thought Mary died giving birth to Matilda but now it seems therewas Daniel bron the year Mary died 1830. Interesting about the twins as I knew twins were in the family. I had cousins. YOu say you descend from Joseph. I have microfilm on Betchworth records.
Joseph son of John and Ann Lifford born 1797 July 7th.
would this be your Joseph.
or earlier
Joseph son of Joseph and Jane Lifford 1765 March 20th
Regards Matilda, I do have proof she emigrated to Tasmania.
Are you of the UK as I was hoping to trace Australian rellies. Jess

[slifford]

Glad I was able to fill in extra facts.
My Joseph was the son of John and ann Boltwood born July 7th 1797., a distant cousin of Ann Caroline.
I have futher details of James and Ann Caroline, marriage, death, occupation etc. Do you have these?
I notice that Mary died in 1830 at West Ham. This is the year that her last child was born and died aged 7 weeks.
Daniel Lifford married Mary Coleman in 1820 at St Mary, Whitechapel.
I have details of Daniel's siblings  and parents if you want them.
I am UK based so sorry cannot help with the Oz relatives.

[jesstidd]

Thank you for replying. I do have James and Carolines' births marriage etc and kin. Appreciate Daniel Lifford marriage etc to see if you have found more than I have. Should you find out anything of Anns' parents would be grateful. I have her mother Mary Getter  married John Collman in W Buckland Cornwall. Have this on CD. no proof we have the right Mary Coleman though.
Mary Getter m John Collman 1765
KIn Mary    1789
      sarah   1796 (this could account for Sarah daughter of Ann )
       Jerimiah  1794
       Betty       1791

jessie

[slifford]

Hi Jessie,
Sorry but have no info about parents of Mary.
Looking at the Daniel side of Betchwoth Liffords, I wonder if the name Lifford has now gone from that side.
Daniel born 1787 had 5 sisters but only one brother, William born 1789. William died in 1869 but had never married.
Daniel's father Daniel born 1758 hade 3 sisters and 1 brother William born 1760. I have no further details of that William. Do you know anything about him, marriage and children? If he had no children then the Lifford name has been lost from that branch of Daniel born 1728 and Elizabeth Smith.
 
That is of course unless any of the females had children out of wedlock.
My Lifford  has come through the female line.
Joseph , born 1797 in Betchworth had a daughter Jane who had a son James John Davis Lifford born out of wedlock 1849 , hence he took his mothers surname.  We are his decendents.

Food for thought. Do you know anything about William born 1760 ?

Susanne

[jesstidd]

I think the Lifford name was lost with Ann and Matilda.
I cannot pick up William 1760 and so far have not on the Betchworth records. I am back at the library tomorrow to finish going through the microfich on Betchworth and will look through again for William. The writing of some records are hardly readable so I could have missed him. My records go up to 1810 at the moment but I do intend to send for more from that date. I have Betchworth Buckland and Leigh. Buckland gave me one side of my family tree Turners, Betchworth another with Liffords.
I picked up Joseph born 1797 son of Joseph and Ann Lifford.
1841 census William Lifford living with parents age 50.

[Kiwi007]

I have just returned to this topic and see a few cousins have joined up to the LIFFORD inquiry!

Ann Caroline TURNER b 1843, married George KERR 1873. He was a lighterman and I have lots of information on this KERR family originally from Scotland. George's eldest sister married into my SAIES family ( from Pembroke Wales).

I am in touch with descendents of Ann and George KERR so if anyone would like to contact me, I will pass on the KERR info and cousins!

Cheers
Kiwi