LIFFORD 1841 1851 1861

[Kiwi007]

hi List,

I am researching the TURNER and LIFFORD families and recently had a look up for 1871 which showed my James TURNER and his wife Ann ( nee LIFFORD) with their children and what seems to be an error on the census  - a John LEE, 73, wifes father, single, b Streatham Surrey

James and Ann in 1871
RG10; Piece: 846; Folio: 97; Page: 62
Clifton Road, Woodland Cottages, Croydon, Surrey

I am wondering if someone would be kind enoiugh to check the census to see if it really says LEE etc.

Ann LIFFORD was b abt 1821 and her sister, Mathilda abt 1825 in West Ham. I have been able to find Mathilda in 1851 staying with her married sister, Ann ( now TURNER-married Sept 1841 in Whitechapel).

If anyone can locate Mathilda and Ann LIFFORD in 1841, I would be most grateful as I am needing their parents and any other siblings.

many thanks

Kiwi

[Tati]

Hi Kiwi

I am wondering if someone would be kind enoiugh to check the census to see if it really says LEE etc.

I'm afraid it does  

1841
HO107/323/9 26 7
West Ham, Essex
Opposite the Brewhouse
6 not sure whether the Street is Church Street or Ham Lane
Daniel Lifford, 52, General Dealer, no
Matilda, 13, yes
/
apartment
Daniel Lifford, 83, Bricklayer, no
Sarah, 79, no
Wm, 50, Bricklayer, no

 

did Ann marry after the 1841 census?

[Kiwi007]

Hello my good friend!! Thanks for that look up...I think I am on the right track....Daniel and Sarah died 1842 and 1843, but what I presume is their son ( and father to Matilda) died 1854 West Ham so hopefully he willl show up in 1851 somewhere. William died 1869

I see there was also a Sarah Ann LIFFORD who died 1842 in West Ham - I wonder who she belonged to???

Ann LiFFORD married just after the census - in Sept Qtr 1841 so I was hoping she would be about in 1841. Her full name was Ann Caroline LIFFORD - that combination was used down through the generations which was helpful!

Fingers are crossed, and many thanks again for your help

Kiwi

[Tati]

1841
HO107/323/13 40 26
Mays Buildings
Chapel St
Thomas Coleman, 50, Lab, yes
George, 25, Blacksmith, yes
Mary, 25, F S, yes
/
Ann Lifford, 20, F S, yes

1851
HO107/1555 50 11
Stratford Le Bow, Middlesex
6 Fairfield Place
Thomas Muir, head, 87, Retired Comander Royal Navy, b. Mddx Shadwell
Eliza, wife, 70, b. Southwark
Daniel Lifford, serv, wid, 63, General Servant, b. Surrey ?Betchworth?

 

[Eyesee]

1851 - HO107; Piece: 1768; Folio: 176; Page: 53
Woods Yard, West Ham, Essex
Mary HOLT, lodger unm 57, Needlewoman, born London, Middlesex
Matilda LIFFORD, visitor unm 25, Servant, born Westham, Essex
Samuel BANNER, lodger mar 40, Engineer, NK
Caroline BANNER, lodger mar 35, NK

Is this the same Matilda or another one.

Ian C

[Eyesee]

Possibly a relative of Daniel born in Betchworth

1871 - RG10; Piece: 676; Folio: 99; Page: 24
41 Thomas St, St Mary's, Lambeth
Joseph LIFFORD, head mar 73, Late a Bricklayer, born Surrey, Betchworth
Elizabeth LIFFORD, wife mar 58, born Surrey, Clapham
plus two others.

Ian C

[Kiwi007]

Thank you Tati and IanC!  I am surprised there would be 2 Matilda LIFFORD's of the same age b West ham...the look up I had done earlier suggested she was staying with James and Ann TURNER..the ref is:

HO107 p1768 fOLIO 538 pAGE 27

Hmmm..now the plot thickens! And I can't find any rcord of a Matilda LIFFORD on Free BMD anywhere!

There doesn't seem to be a marriage on the IGI for Daniel LIFFORD so can't take a guess at Matilda's mother's name...presumably the mother died before 1837.

I am thinking the John LEE might be an unmarried brother of Ann Caroline's, although he claims to be born in Surrey - where Ann's husband was born.

I wonder if William LIFFORD b abt 1790 shows up in the 1851 and 1861 census-- there might be a clue there perhaps.

I just found the Joseph look up as I was about to send this - that is certainly a good lead - especially as the occupation fits - ..it appears Joseph and wife died the same Qtr in Lambeth 1873

Many thanks again ...

Kiwi

[Eyesee]

Matilda could have been picked up twice, at home with her brother and then out visiting the others, or vice versa. Depends how far apart the two places were I suppose.

Ian C

[Kiwi007]

hi IanC

Thats probably the answer - I eventually found a death in 1859 for a Matilda LIFFIN which I am going to presume is our girl!

I guess there has been no luck finding William LIFFORD b abt 1791 ( he was in the 1841 census as a bricklayer )  died 1869 west ham aged 81?

Fingers crossed :-))

Cheers
Kiwi