LIFFORD 1841 1851 1861

[jesstidd]

Dear Kiwi I am in touch with rellies who go back to the Kerrs on Genes Reunited. I have not added much of them to my tree but made a note of some. Thank you for writing. My main object now is to find our more about Ann Caroline Lifford (nee) Coleman. jessie

[Ian King]

Hi, I have been doing a bit on the Liffords, Joseph Lifford born 1817 in Carmarthen was the son of Joseph born 1797 and Ann born 1795 - 1797. I think Joseph senior's father was also Joseph, a ropemaker.

Has anyone got any more info on these Liffords, the youngest Joseph was my great, great, great grandfather.

Thanks, Ian

[jesstidd]

Hi Ian, you do not say where your Joseph Lifford originates from. The Lifford family as I know were all scattered South of England. Betchworth, Leigh, Buckland, Capel and mine ended up in West Ham. Yours could have done so also. so, tell us more of your "Joseph" fathers' whereabouts please. I do have dates of Joseph m Jane Elsey 25 Feb 1754 at Ashtead which is Surrey, I think. Also Joseph Lifford  born Betchworth 1722. living Lambeth 1871 census. jessie

[jesstidd]

Ian on checking my list on Liffords' there is a
Joseph/ Catharine of Dorking named at christening of Mercy Lifford 1789 28 June
Joseph/Sarah  Stepney christening of Anne 18 June 1738
Jospeh/Elizabeth  Stepney christening of Ann 21 Feb 1768
Joseph/Elizabeth   Stepney christening of Willaim  12 Apr 1761
Joseph/Elizabeth   Stephney christening of Marha  26 Aug 1759
Of course the father may not be a Joseph. Jessie

[Ian King]

Hi Jessie,

Many thanks for the info, I'm not on my home computer at the moment (which has all my genealogy stuff on it), I'll check tonight to see if I have a place of birth for Joseph born 1797. I know the family did live in the London area later, Betchworth and Susanne Lifords tree may be a possibility...

Many thanks

Ian

[Ian King]

Hi Jessie,

Me again, do you really mean Joseph born 1722 Betchworth and on the 1871 census - this would make him 149 years old...

The Joseph snr I have was born 1797 and died 5/8/1870, his wife ann died 11/3/1866.

What was/is confusing is that there is at least two Joseph Liffords born around the same time (see Ian C/Eysee's comments).

Ian

[jesstidd]

Sorry Ian, should be estimated birth 1798  according to the 1871 census. I took his age off his birth year. He is living with his wife Elizabeth age 58  Ann could have been his first wife as Elizabeth is a lot younger than him. You have a difference of one year when born which is okay there but the one year difference when he died cannot be as if he died 1870 he would not be on the 1871 census. There probably are more than one Joseph but I am not finding other than ones I sent.

[Ian King]

Hi Jessie,

"My" Joseph snr was born in Shadwell in Middlesex in 1797, I think his father was another Joseph and possibly his grandfather as well. On the Old Bailey website there is a report of a robbery from a Joseph and William Liford (Ropemakers) in the same area. Joseph born 1797 was a coachman, general dealer, and master tobaconist at various times of his life. I think the Joseph born Betchworth 1822 is the same Joseph born 1797 occupation Bricklayer, lived in Lambeth in 1871. I also think I have his death cert as I mistook him for my ancestor...

Cheers

Ian

[jesstidd]

I have just returned to this topic and see a few cousins have joined up to the LIFFORD inquiry!

Ann Caroline TURNER b 1843, married George KERR 1873. He was a lighterman and I have lots of information on this KERR family originally from Scotland. George's eldest sister married into my SAIES family ( from Pembroke Wales).

I am in touch with descendents of Ann and George KERR so if anyone would like to contact me, I will pass on the KERR info and cousins!

Cheers
Kiwi