queenstown to new york

[emalia]

Hi There
Please can anyone find a william palmer born cobh 1898 died new york 1934
and his brother sam 1891 cobh went with william so iv been told.
Be very gratefull for any advise on how to find this
May thanks
emx

[murphy60]

emx,

1930 Edgewater, Bergen Co., New Jersey   (just across the Hudson River from New York City )

William Palmer
Age: 31  b. abt 1899 
Birthplace: Ireland    Lodger   Working as a Labourer for the Earie {Erie ?} Railroad Company
Immigration date appears to be 1921       

lissa 

[aghadowey]

You can check passenger lists for New York (1894-1924) at www.ellisisland.org. Make sure you look at both pages of passenger manifests for full details.

[murphy60]

emx,  

Passenger List for the  America  Arrival Aug 6, 1924     Port of New York

William Palmer
Estimated birth year abt 1887   Age: 37    Born:  Cobh Ireland
Gender: Male    Occupation:  Labourer
Port of Departure: Cobh (Queenstown)  
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality/Nativity: Irish  
Nearest Relative:  Father  William F. Palmer   6 Donelon Terrace  Cobh
Destination & Contact:  Friend   John Hanson   737 Pelham Rd.  New Rochester  NY
Dark Complexion, Black Hair, Brown Eyes

Anything work here???  

The next entry after William  was  
Ambrose Walsh also from Cobh  age 27  going to NY    
Relative:  Father   Ambrose Walsh  living @ 7 Bellevue  Cobh  
Destination Contact:  Brother in law Lawrence Gallagher in Brooklyn, NY


lissa

[aghadowey]

Passenger List for the  America   Arrival Aug 6, 1924     Port of New York
William Palmer
Estimated birth year abt 1887   Age: 37    Born:  Cobh Ireland
Gender: Male    Occupation:  Labourer
Port of Departure: Cobh (Queenstown) 
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality/Nativity: Irish 
Nearest Relative:  Father  William F. Palmer   6 Donelon Terrace  Cobh
Destination & Contact:  Friend   John Hanson   737 Pelham Rd.  New Rochester  NY
Dark Complexion, Black Hair, Brown Eyes

William's age is actually 27 (born c1897) and he's going to Rochester New York not New Rochester NY
No sign of brother Samuel with him. Wonder if Samuel's anywhere in U.s by 1930 census?

[emalia]

WOW YES thats him thankyou all so very very much
His father was william francis thats brilliant
Thankyou
em

[shellyesq]

While it does list John Hanson as being in New Rochester, NY, I wonder if it's not a typo for New Rochelle.  There is a Pelham Road in New Rochelle, and, as far as I can tell, there is no such place as New Rochester.  I checked the 1930 Census and there is a John Hansen at 737 Pelham Road in New Rochelle.  His mother was born in Ireland, and his father was born in Sweden.  It looks like the same John is living in New Rochelle in 1920 and is listed as a nephew of Margaret J. Nichols, who was born in Ireland.

[aghadowey]

Yes Does sound like it should be New ROCHELLE rather than Rochester. I did wonder about a Pelham Road being in Rochester. Perhaps William got a bit confused when he gave the information.

[murphy60]

emx,  glad this was a "hit" for your research   

On the actual manifest on Ancestry , William's age is pretty clearly shown as 37 
On Ancestry, the indexed information,  calculates his birth year to 1887. 
On Ellis Island,  they have his age indexed as 27  and the image is clearly 27.
I even cleaned my computer screen  while looking between the 2 documents!!  Maybe something in the scanning processes  or there are duplicate "originals" and Ellis Isl. and Ancestry do not share the same "original" document???

The birth year is NOT recorded on the actual document.


On both the actual manifest,  his destination is typed as "New York" which is crossed out and "Rochester"  is hand written in

On the actual manifest,  his friend (John Hanson's)  address is recorded as "New Rochester"


As Shellyesq seems to be familiar with the local area,  it would seem that William was probably a little confused on the actual names of the places.

Apologizes for any misleading info,  but I recorded the info as best as possible to the actual record, using Ancestry when I posted.  Always good to have multiple sources so you can interpret or qualify information as it might make most sense based on your other corroborative information.


lissa