Walter Noble (1828)

[tulstig]

Hi Buzz,

Would love t oknow how you connect back to Walter, and get info from Walter's death cert. I have his marriage cert, and am happy to share info therein.

I'm still not convinced that the marraige of William to Charlotte Cawthorn is the right one -  Still too many imponderables (unless anyone can point out to me otherwise): From census ages Charlotte would have been 17 at the oldest at the tiem of this marriage, also why would they then wait so long to have children, and if Charlotte was indeed from London why marry in Brighton? Also there was a 'Noble' family of Brighton at  around the same time.

I'll PM you my e-mail address and if you'd like direct descendant report for Walter as I currently have it, and Marriage info I can send it you.

Cheers,
Mark

[buzz999]

Tulstig - you are right to not be convinced 100% as nobody seems to have come up with any difinitive link between William and Walter.
The reason I have latched onto William Nathaniel being the father is based on the marriage certificate for Walter stating his father was William, a farmer, and deceased and hailing from Cuckfield.... William Nathaniel obviously meets these criteria... but you are right to question it being absolute fact that they are father/son.

If William and Charlotte did marry in 1809 - they certainly didn't wait for long before having kids. My current offspring list for them reads as
William Richard 1810
Frederick 1812
Alfred 1814
Henry S 1818
Catherine 1819
Juliet Ann 1821
Horace 1823
Sarah 1825
(Walter would be 1826 - but no baptismal records)
Susannah 1829
Ambrose 1832
Charles 1834

Walter's death certificate states he died on 2nd June 1878 at 17 Moor St aged 51. He was still working as a Cellarman and suffered cirrhosis of the liver. Henry Noble (son) was present at death (address 43 Berkeley Square, St georges, London.)

[tulstig]

Hi Buzz999,

Thanks for the additional info. I only had the offspring starting with Horace 1823. Have now found all but William and Frederick on IGI listing for Cuckfield. Couldn't find the first two though?

I also had chosen William and Charlotte from the marriage cert, and then subsequent census entries for Charlotte in Cuckfield as only logical mother.  It's just Charlotte's age that bothers me at time of marriage - but not completely outlandish. Also wondered why they'd get married in Brighton. Do you know anything more about her family?

Mark

[buzz999]

Found the first 2 baptisms through familyhistoryonline.net

I guestimate Charlotte's age at marriage to be 17 (d.o.b. 1792) - is that the same as you? I'm certainly no expert but I gather that's not young at all for marriage in those days.

I don't have any further info on her at all - other than her place of birth being St Dunstans in the East... think I got that from a census return. Might try to search that route a little further.

And yes... it is a mystery as to why they would marry in Brighton... that too needs further investigation i think.

my line of descent from walter carries down from his oldest son Walter John William, who had 2 sons - william (the youngest) also had 2 sons - the youngest of which was my grandad. Which line do you descend through?

[tulstig]

I'd all but forgotten about familyhistoryonline.net - haven't used it for ages -thanks for the reminder.

Yes I reckon the same re Charlotte's age. although in one cesnsus it does have her yob as 1796, but that could easily be wrong.

Yes I got the St Dunstans in the East from the census too, otherwise nonethewiser where she comes from.

I don't actually descend from Walter - I am researching the tree for my best friend (Ann Noble) who incidentally still lives in Sussex - Steyning - not that far from Cuckfield. We were around Ansty to see the farm locations a while ago. If you want a copy of the descendant report for her line I'm happy to send it you if you mail me.

She's no whizz on teh computer but would also like to be in touch if you'd like,

Cheers,

Mark

[tulstig]

Sorry meant to say Annie descends through Walter's 6th child - Frank Christopher who had five offspring, one of which was her great granddad.

Mark

[sillgen]

Hi
Just to point out that the male baptisms for Cuckfield are not on the IGI at that time for  some reason.  Only the girls.  My fiche index of naptisms has William Richard Noble, son of William Nathaniel and Charlotte of Harvest Hill 22 July 1810 and Frederick son of the same 12 April 1812.
Andrea

[round87]

hi gang,found this on net henry noble married a mary ann 5th jan 1819 st geoges westminster,st georges,hanover square.just close to where walter,s son was living at the time of his death.i think that is our man down at cuckfield a bit later on.will let you know what death cert for william says when it arrives one way or other..................michael

[round87]

sorry i forgot to put henry alfreds wife surname on it was mary ann luppons