thought this thread may have gone cold - if anyone is still interested i have the last will and testament of Richard Noble, wine and brandy merchant - Alfred and Williams' father. He was by then living in Thornton Heath, Croydon and left all to his wife Charlotte - and then it was to pass to his youngest Alfred. William is not mentioned. the Will was written in 1828 and he died in 1837. If anyone is intested i could try and attach it. it is hard to read due to the language but you kind of get the gist of it.