John Stronner - Montrose

[Rowana]

My Grandmother was Susan Jane Stronner, born on 29 Sept 1881 in Montrose. Her father is given as John Stronner, Boatbuilder, and her Mother is Jane Dunn, but it could be Swan! Her birth and death certs say her mother is Jane Dunn, but her marriage cert says Jane Swan!

John Stronner and Jane Dunn (or Swan) were married on 9 October 1874 in Montrose.

I'm now trying to trace who John Stronner was, and where he came from. I've found a John Stronner born on 28 May 1854 to David Stronner & Susan Robert in Arbuthnott on IGI.

The dates are about right, Arbuthnott is not too far from Montrose, and it seems logical to call his daughter Susan Jane, but have I got the right John Stronner?

How can I find out?

Any help much appreciated.

Cheers
Jim

[runningbear]

hi jim,

i think you are on the right track with david and susan ..

the stronner family were born arbuthnott and montrose around 1860's

1881 census- 35 india street, montrose

david...age 71...labourer
susan...age 64
helen...age 35...mill worker
robert...age 21...baker...born montrose
jane ann alexander...age 12...grand-daughter
nelly mary grant...age 3...grand-daughter.


Joe

[runningbear]

hi pal,

1881 census- montrose

john...age 27...boatbuilder
jane...age 28
david...age 6
alexina...age 3 (middle name dunn)
robert...age 1

and just to confirm the parents

1871 cenus- 15 india street, montrose

david..age 58...flour mill stocker
susan...age 53
helen...age 26...factory worker
john...age 16...boatbuilder
wilemina...age 14...mill worker
robert...age 11

i have no idea as of yet what happened to john stronner and jane dunn, the family can be found on the next set of censuses with john's sister helen stronner who is now helen grant.

1891 cenus- 86 castle street, montrose

helen grant...age 45
nelly grant...age 13...flax spinner

the stronner children

david...nephew...age 16...flax reeler
alexina...niece...age 13...flax reeler
robert...nephew...age 11...flax reeler
susan jane...niece...age 9
james...nephew...age 7
mary...niece...age 3
johann...age 7 months

1901 census- 51 castle street, montrose

helen grant...age 55...charwoman
nelly grant...age 23...boot machinist

the stronner children

alexina...niece...age 23...flax spinner
susan jane...niece...age 19...flax spinner
johann...niece...age 10


Joe

[runningbear]

hi pal,

had to finish the census off now that i have started....

1841 cenus- n craighill, arbuthnott

david...age 30...farm labourer
susan...age 25
mary...age 2
jane...age 1 week
jane robert...age 25...female servant

1851 census- 6 townhead cottage, arbuthnott

david...age 41...farm labourer...born dunn, forfarshire
susan...age 34...born arbuthnott
david...age 7
helen...age 5
james...age 3
lavinia...age 1

1861 census- 15 india street, montrose

david...age 53...carter
susan...age 43
jane...age 18...mill worker
david...age 17...fireman
james...age 13...saw mill worker
lavinia...age 11
charles...age 8
john...age 6
williamina...age 4
robert...age 1

will go and search for jane dunn and family...


Joe

[runningbear]

hi pal,

looks like jane dunn was the daughter of alexander and jane baird who married in montrose 2/2/1845.

and it looks like alexander was the son of alexander and christian crow.

1841 census- castle street, montrose

alexander...age 41...flaxdresser
christian...age 38
colon...age 19...flaxdresser
alexander...hairdresser
william...age 15...flaxspinner
isabel...age 13...flax spinner
mary...age 10
williamina...age 6
g....age 4
thomas...age 2
mary ann crow...age 21
ann buchan...age 75
mary duncan...age 15..flaxspinner

1851 census- 117 castle street, montrose

alexander...age 27..hairdresser
jane...age 28
alexander...age 6
susan... age 2

(think jane baird was the daughter of john and susan taylor)

1861 census- 93 castle street, montrose

alexander...age 36...hairdresser
jane...age 34
alexander...age 15
susan...age 11
jane...age 8
eliza...age 6
georgina...age 4
jessie...age 2
mary..age 1 month

1871 census- 94 castle street, montrose

jane...age 48...domestic
jane..age 19...milliner
eliza...age 17...mill worker
georgina...age 15...mill worker
jessie...age 13...mill worker


Joe

[Rowana]

Hi Joe,

This is absolutely brilliant!

Susan Jane Stronner married James Irvine on the 31 December 1908. They had 5 children, 2 of which died in the flu epidemic of 1919-1920. The youngest was Nellie Mary Grant Irvine, (My Dad's younger sister), so I now know where that name comes from!

I looks like John & Jane must have died sometime between the censuses of 1881 & 1891, and the children were being brought up by their aunt.

I can just remember as a small boy going with my Father to visit his Aunts Alexina and another, name forgotten, who lived in Murray street in Montrose.  This must have been in the mid 1950's or so.  You don't pay much attention when you are 7 or 8 years old!

Thanks very much for all this.

Cheers
Jim

[ev]

hi jim/joe

on scotlandspeople
jane stronner(other surname dunn) died 1890 montrose angus
birth year 1851

ev

[ev]

scotlandspeople
john stronner died 1923 montrose angus
birth year 1855
not sure if this is your john only the birth year lines up and as joe
states there is no sign of him on the 1891 or 1901 census

ev

[runningbear]

well spotted ev,

had not considered that john (1855) may have remarried...

see young david...

1901 census- 102 glasgow road, dumbartonshire

(in lodgings) david...age 26...ship carpenter

could this be him? if so you may to check for another marriage around 1892

1901 census- 16 hill place, montrose

john...age 46...ship carpenter...born arbuthnott
mary...age 42
james...age 16...flax spinner
mary helen g...age 14

need oor gadget tae work her magic spell....


Joe