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Re: Halpin family of Wicklow
« Reply #279 on: Sunday 14 February 10 20:08 GMT (UK) »
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     In three volumes of Memoirs, a Mrs. Margaret Leeson (1727-97), notorious and obviously very successful brothel-keeper in Dublin, revealed the thinly disguised identities of many of her most illustrious clients.  Her memoirs must have caused a delicious scandal (provided you weren't named), and wounded the pride and respect of the wives of her clients, some of whom were city bankers and members of the aristocracy.  In volume three there are a few lines that might interest us: 
     
     "Mary Roberts was kept by Mr. H - , of Custom House, Dublin...who, being amorously inclined, hired her;  she lived with this gentleman some short time [and], though short, found means to ease him of a great part of his property, which was considerable, but he, inclined to dissipation, did not discover his inamorata until reduced to the last extremity; she being young, and he being unwilling to expose himself, after getting the duplicates of clothes and some few articles of plate, turned her off..." -(p.180 of the Memoirs, which are held in the Dublin National Library).

     Mrs. Leeson died of VD after being gang raped one night on her way home through Drumcondra, Dublin (poor woman), but this passage in her memoirs may be of real service to us - because it's worth trying to determine if Mr H - of Custom House, Dublin, was John Halpin.  It's always been my contention that George Halpin was deeply wounded by his father (I'll justify that contention another time), and if we're on to something here, we might have uncovered what that something was.  Of course, all of this is speculative - but it's speculating within some loose Halpin parameters, which are all we have for the years between 1780-1810.  Speculation is unavoidable, but it is not - of course - an end in itself.
     At any rate, all of these 'discoveries' followed my suspicion that we were not being well served by the early entries in Burke's Halpin Lineage.  Cheers.

PS - Here are a few more curly ones to consider: I found this some time ago and I think I may have already mentioned it here somewhere - Carlow Memorials: Crosthwaite, Samuel esq 31 Aug. 1839.
                                                    Crosthwaite, Sam. Esq. 22nd Aug. 1863 age 74.
                                                    Crosthwaite, Eliz. 4 Feb. 1854. 
All in Dunleckney Parish, Bagenalstown, just south of Carlow town.  We know the Dublin Crosthwaites had at least one mill in Carlow. Then there are the Carlow Halpins, which I must exhume and name, and maybe tie in to Nicholas Halpin's missus.

Doctors Roe and Halpin work together to save Judge Foster's life, to no avail (there are other Halpin listings in this, the Anglo-Celt) - http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Other/1842/JUL.html

And before Bill asks me - much of what I know about the schools in Portarlington comes from two sources.  He has one (which I've forgotten).  The other is the History of Queen's County (2 vols.), by O'Hanlon and O'Leary (think the date is 1860).

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Re: Halpin family of Wicklow
« Reply #280 on: Sunday 14 February 10 23:06 GMT (UK) »
From "Private Schools in Portarligton" (Brian's post 275):
"An advertisement for the school, dated 1891, shows that native language speakers and composers gave instruction in language and music."
Could Von Koppelow and Von Hoiken have been German teachers at the school ?
Ken

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« Reply #281 on: Sunday 14 February 10 23:41 GMT (UK) »
Ray, I like everything you say.  But if you have looked at any charts I have put out, for ages I have had a John as a son of Nicholas.  Nicholas may also have had a brother John, of course, but, in terms of ages, wouldn't this John of the Customs House make a better son of Nicholas, brother of William Henry and uncle of Rev Nicholas John, etc.?

I definitely see where you are coming from with this John a candidate for being George's father (and being in a position to introduce George for early opportunities at the Ports).  But their falling out would explain why George never acknowledged this man as a father and never had the name John in any of his descendants.  Very interesting.

But of the other Halpins of about the same generation, there are overlapping names like William.  So, if they are related, they have to be cousins and therefore descendants of a brother of Nicholas, perhaps in Cavan or Meath generally, or Carlow, or Wicklow???

What do you think?

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Re: Halpin family of Wicklow
« Reply #282 on: Monday 15 February 10 00:40 GMT (UK) »
     I read your charts and admired them, Bill, so I've no excuse for the oversight on John.  Too many blinkers, perhaps.  Will review them and pay closer attention.  The issue of exact relationships, if any, will go on being a contentious one until we have more information.  For the time being, it's all just supposition and conjecture.  So long as we remember that, we needn't get too hung up on precision just yet.  The best thing I can do is focus on finishing what I'm working on at the moment, which should take about another week.  After that I'll try to get the tonnes of material I have scattered all over the place up onto the board - that way everyone can sing from the same hymn sheet, or at the very least argue their points of agreement and difference from a solid base of reliable - and referenceable - material.  It will help with the speculation, which can't always be avoided.

     As for John Halpin, tide surveyor, my feeling was that he had already retired by 1800, which is why I was guessing he was Old Nic's brother.  But I'll have to double check things before I can be sure.  On William it may well be as you say.  But apart from the basic handwritten entry in the Burke's peerage draft, there's not much to go on just yet.  I have another candidate to add - James Halpin.  Now I know you are aware of him because you've mentioned him to me before.  I kept him out of the picture because frankly I didn't have much on him.  That's changed recently. 
     Loosely, I think there may have been three or four brothers, or two sets of brothers - the sets being first cousins.  Nicholas, John, James (a wealthy Dublin merchant who had a few burglars hung around the time of the 1798 rebellion), and possibly William.  I believe James had at least three sons - Richard, William, and James - and all three sons dabbled in distilling, along with many others in Dublin at the time, including three Greham brothers.  There was a fortune to be made overnight in distilling, so that must account for its prevalence at that time.  It was a tumultuous period in Ireland's history, and in the pubs, inns and illegal premises set up in Dublin there was a great deal of frank talk for and against reform.  Central to the talk of some were the ideals of the Society of United Irishmen, which believed in a political order that recognised Protestant, Catholic and Dissenter as equals, as united Irish men.  Other groups were less radical, calling for something like the status quo to be maintained, but for trade to be liberalised (for the guilds, or monopolies, to be broken up).  Others still were ultra Protestants and they wanted tough action to be taken against the liberalisers - many ultras came from or lived in Portarlington, which was probably one of the most loyal towns in Ireland at the time (I'll have more to say about the politics of Portarlington another time).  So you had a situation in which many forces were pulling in many different ways - hence the instability.  Spies were prolific, and one reported to the Castle (this is soon after 1798) that William and James Halpin were about as opposed to the crown as it was possible to be.  To make a long story short - years after the trouble had subsided there was an easing of restrictions on known participants in the rebellion, and attempts were made to make more positions available for accomplished Catholics, which would reduce the likelihood of further rebellions.  My guess is that many remained fiercely sympathetic to the ideals of a united Ireland, but were less inclined to try to realise them through violent means.  Some time during this period, James jnr resumed his connection to the production and sale of alcohol by opening an inn in Wicklow town, where I think Halpins with links to the Halpins of Portarlington were already living and possibly working the land.

     I want to stress here the very poor historical overview you've just received, and the very fragile nature of the connections between Nicholas, John, William, James and sons...it's a working model that may well be tossed aside quite quickly.  No harm in that.  Exclusions are as valuable as discoveries.  But at least you get a feel now for the importance I place on the need for an understanding of the context in which the Halpins moved and operated - I don't think we can appreciate their movements, their behaviour, without one.  The context is as valuable to me, Bill, as the charts are to you (and everyone else, of course).


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Re: Halpin family of Wicklow
« Reply #283 on: Monday 15 February 10 01:08 GMT (UK) »
     Bill, only noticed your reply 274 now, and just viewed the names and dates.  It's very interesting, and I need to think about it.  But I noted the Rev. Robert Crawford Halpin there - Chaplain to the armed forces.  We've known about him for a long time, of course, but I did not know he had studied at Trinity.  And I've never been able to find a connection to him.

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« Reply #284 on: Monday 15 February 10 03:19 GMT (UK) »
Do we know of any other connection to Ireland of Robert Crawford Halpin?  His father was a soldier, he was born in Antwerp just after Waterloo.  The forenames, Robert Crawford, are typically Scottish.

I should re-do the alumni list because the Thomas at the bottom should be next to the other Thomas (or the same?) at the top.  That Thomas' father was given as John, Musicus Tibicinarius.  "Tibic" is Latin for flute.  This entry seems to very specifically make John more than a musician or music scholar - he was a flute player or maker in 1722.   Another artist Halpin to add to the engravers, miniaturists, amateur botanists and writers.

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     Bill, only noticed your reply 274 now, and just viewed the names and dates.  It's very interesting, and I need to think about it.  But I noted the Rev. Robert Crawford Halpin there - Chaplain to the armed forces.  We've known about him for a long time, of course, but I did not know he had studied at Trinity.  And I've never been able to find a connection to him.

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« Reply #285 on: Monday 15 February 10 21:48 GMT (UK) »
     
     There are a few bits and pieces on the Reverend Robert Crawford Halpin, but this - his obituary - is the most informative:

The Rev. R C Halpin, late Chaplain to the Forces and to the Duke of Cambridge, died on Tuesday.  His first connexion with the army was as a "boy volunteer" under Sir Francis B. Head, Governor of Canada, during the rebellion in 1839.  On his return home he was Gazetted ensign in the 14th Regiment.  After some years' service he entered the Church, for which profession he was originally intended, and was appointed an Army chaplain.  He served through the Crimean campaign as chaplain to the 1st Division, and received the medal, with four clasps, and the Turkish medal.  He also served in the China war of 1860.  From 1863 until his retirement in 1880, he was chaplain to the Household Brigade.  Mr. Halpin was in receipt of the distinguished service pension.     
     - The Times, March 22nd 1889.

Rev. Halpin attended a number of Levees in London which were also attended by Captain Robert Charles Halpin; he was also involved in a number of schemes set up to care for servicemen's wives and establish retirement homes for aging veterans.  It's interesting that they should describe a working life in the Church as a profession.  Catholics would describe it as a 'calling' or a vocation.  Pronounced cultural difference here.  Through his apparent link to God, the Catholic priest served the worldly interests of the Church.  Through his apparent link to the Anglican Church,  a Protestant clergyman served the worldly interests of the Crown.

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« Reply #286 on: Monday 15 February 10 21:54 GMT (UK) »
Ray,
I can add, from another line of research, that the Duke of Cambridge was the first cousin of the Queen, and was C in C of the army. One of the Swenys wrote to him in 1858 to solicit (successfully) a commission for his nephew.
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« Reply #287 on: Monday 15 February 10 23:56 GMT (UK) »
After a message from Ray, I'll add to my last post:
The reason I mentioned the Duke of Cambridge was that I would be very surprised if Rev Halpin did not use his influence with the Duke (C in C) to recommend someone for a commission. This is what RN Capt Mark Halpen Sweny, (a Trafalgar veteran) did in 1858.
I can imagine that Rev Halpin, as chaplain to the Duke, received many such requests.
Ken