Halpin family of Wicklow - Part 1

[BillW]

Thank you MrFlannery for the location help for Wicklow and the list of children of James Halpin and Ann Halbert of the Bridge Inn.  Is this list one that has come from some source or has it come together with time, as we are trying to do?

I refer back to a posting by Raymond on May 13 quoting from the Irish Times about a meeting at Enniskerry in November 1877, from which I extract:

"Opposite the National School the party met two well known local gentlemen, one of whom was Captain Halpin (a brother of the celebrated commander of the Great Eastern), and the other Mr Byrne, one of Lord Powerscourt's tenantry, and a gentleman somewhat largely engaged in farming pursuits.  With both the ex-Premier, on being introduced by Lord Powerscourt, warmly shook hands and entered into conversation, principally on the subject of agriculture, to which it may be mentioned Captain Halpin now also devotes his attention."

Who do we think this Captain Halpin was?

Also, we have Dr James Henry Halpin, 1861 - 1916, who lived at 1 Wentworth Place and who evidence points to being the brother of Captain Robert George Halpin, 1869 - 1906.  Would these be the sons of one of the sons of James Halpin of the Bridge Inn and therefore nephews of Captain Robert C Halpin?

Bill.

[kenneth cooke]

Reply to raymondcecilmark re Halpin/Halpen of Dublin & Queens County.
Just 2 points- Patrick H., engraver was active abt 1755-1787. He could not be the same as Paget, engraver of 32 Mecklenburg St, who mar. Margt Delane in 1794.
Do you mean that Paget is a diminutive of Patrick ? It is more likely that Paget was the son of Mark Halpen & Mary Paget, mar. abt 1740  Patrick could have been Paget’s uncle. Patrick had a son John b.1764 who was a painter of miniatures. Was he also the bookseller & stationer of 19 Sackville St. in 1801 ?
Was it the same John who mar. Mrs Swettenham in 1800? She was 45-55 yrs, so I guess he was also quite mature. She was Elizabeth, dau. of Wm Toone, skinner, of Finglas, & Mary Sweney. She mar. Alderman Kilner Swettenham in 1780, the same year that he became Lord Mayor of Dublin. She was a 1st cousin of  Eugene Sweny who married Elizbth Halpen, dau of Mark & Mary Paget in 1777.
Regards to all,
Ken Cooke

[kenneth cooke]

Re: assault by Mark Halpen, Old Bailey 1734 (see my post- top of page 6)

Sir Thomas Lawley, 3rd Baronet, of  Spoonhill,Shropshire, married his second lady, Mrs Elizabeth Perkins, widow (who, surviving him, mar. Mr. Halfpen) by whom he had issue, one son, George Bateman Lawley, Esq. who mar. June 1738, Mary, dau of ? Tomlinson of Westminster, Esq.
Sir Thomas died 31.12.1729-30, aged near 80 (and his second lady 28 Jan 1739-40) and was succeeded  by his only son by the first marriage, Sir Robert Lawley, the present (4 th) baronet,
(The English Baronetage by Arthur Collins, 1741).

Lady Elizabeth, previously Mrs Perkins was the niece of Mr John Bateman, Doctor in Physic, of St Andrew, Holborn, who died 17.9.1728 and left his estate to his niece. (Was her name Bateman ?)  Sir Robert was executor of his father’s will, while his half-brother George was Lady Lawley’s. It seems they contrived to keep Halpen out of things or perhaps he exceeded his authority to gain more than his due. In any case, payment to him was stopped by the court.

From legal documents: Reciting also deed of 30 April 1736
(iia) Mark Halpen (iib) Lady Lawley, his wife (iic) Christopher Denton  John Glass
By a decree pronounced in the Exchequer on 18 November 1733 in 2 causes, it was ordered that (iia) should execute proper conveyances to trustees to be named by (iib) of all her real estates and should assign her personal estate to them in trust for her separate use now (iia) assigned to (iic)

LDS familysearch:Mark Halpenn mar. 22.2.1730 Eliz Lawley at Somerset House Westminster
There is no other entry in England for a Mark Halpen/Halpin and very few in Ireland.

He seems to be the same Mark Halpen who was convicted at the Old Bailey of assaulting one of the Exchequer clerks, and we know that he was Irish. He must have married Mary Paget when he returned to Ireland.
Ken Cooke

[BillW]

Ray, at your very good prompting, I am going right back to the beginning of this Rootschat thread.  I may post here any number of random thoughts so be prepared for some scattiness.  I am concentrating on the Wicklow Halpins and any slight possibility of connections to others.
 
You state that Robert Wellington Halpin was a first cousin of Captain Robert Charles Halpin.  That implies his father was a brother of James Halpin of the Bridge Tavern, Wicklow.  That is where we need to concentrate.  Have you inspected, could you inspect, the Wicklow parish registers?  I think that is the only way to get pre 1800 documentary information.  Gravestones would be the next best source but so few are legible after 200 years.
 
When you refer (9th March) to Edwin being closer to Captain Robert C's brother, Dr Stopford Halpin and that Stopford had trained under his UNCLE Charles at Cavan, that by definition makes Dr Charles Halpin of Cavan also a brother of James of the Bridge Inn, Wicklow (unless the term ‘uncle’ was used as an honorarium).
 
Could Dr Charles Halpin of Cavan be the progenitor of the Halpins, solicitors of Ford Lodge?  I see that you later (Page 4) show them coming from a son of young Nicholas John of the Customs House.  Why Cavan?  NJ came from Portarlington and Dublin.
 
And here (9th march) you state that Dr Charles Halpin (of Cavan) was ambivalent about the political stridency of his own brother, Rev Nicholas John Halpin.  So, in one sweep, by this expression we now add Rev Nicholas John as another brother of James of the Bridge Tavern, Wicklow and an uncle of the Wicklow Halpins.

I don’t think this is what you believe but it is what the various quotes imply.
 
How am I going?  And I have only got to the first page!
 
But you elsewhere put Rev Nicholas John as the son of William Henry Halpin of Portarlington, which, from this set of logic, makes William Henry the father of all the above men. Have I made any mistake?  In your family tree of William Henry, you only ascribe Charles and Nicholas John, from the above men, as children of William Henry.
 
Next, from LH, there is mention of Dr Halpin, long time hon sec of the Arklow Lifeboat Station dying in March 1895.  Who was this?  Dr Stopford William Halpin of Arklow had died on 27 February 1885.  Dr George Halbert Halpin died in 1887, Dr James Henry Halpin dies in 1916 and Dr Richard FB Halpin in 1903.
 
From Page 2, you quote the address of Dr Charles Halpin of Cavan to the Royal Academy of Science in which he quotes an antiquarian discovery in Cavan by "my brother, the Rev Nicholas John Halpin".  So that connection at least seems confirmed (unless he meant something like 'my brother in science"!).
 
Page 4.  Who was the young Henry G Halpin, son of Captain Richard Halpin (?), who was knocked overboard at sea in December 1882 aged 19?
 
From J M Flannery's terrific contribution:
 
Eliza Halpin, widow aged 70 (born c 1831 Co Carlow) in the 1901 Census at b1 Wentworth Place, Wicklow, daughter Ida I Halpin age 36 single was the widow of Dr George H Halpin and mother of Dr J H Halpin and of Captain R G Halpin, aunt of Dr Richard Halpin, Arklow.  This makes her the wife of Dr George Halbert Halpin, and they lived next door at Wentworth Place to her son Dr James Henry Halpin
 
Who was Captain Thomas J Halpin, died June 1878 aged 54 at Monastery House Enniskerry, Wicklow?  Was this the son Thomas of James Halpin of the Bridge Tavern, brother of Capt Robert C Halpin?  His calculated birth year of 1824 puts him amongst the other children of James.  This must be the Captain Halpin at Enniskerry from the Irish Times 1877 extract.
 
Eaton Halpin, another son of James advised by J M Flannery - an Eaton Cotter Halpin marries in 1852 in the Rathdrum registration district and a James Eaton Halpin marries in 1891 in the Rathdown registration district.

Finally for now, of the 13 children said to have been in this family, we have names for 10.  Of those 10, I have still have 2 males and 2 daughters  with no information – Charles, James, Louisa and Ann.

You would have to say that this family did excel, comprising of doctors, ships captains, perhaps a lawyer.

Bill

[BillW]

I want to try to attach a tree chart that distils the accumulated information about the Wicklow Halpins that I wrote of yesterday.  I have not done this before so no guarantees that it will come across well.
All this chart does is reflect known and assumed information to date and is ever subject to correction and hopefully addition.
It would be ideal to find out more about the progenitor of this lot, James Halpin, and, as I have said, the best hope for this may lie in church records or graveyards.

Bill

[Shanachai]

To Kenneth C.

I spent 4 hours responding to your postings, Kenneth - I'm a very slow typist - and had answered all of your questions brilliantly, if you don't mind my saying, and began posting that material when the web page vanished, citing all sorts of unintelligible reasons for doing so.  I didn't panic.  I said: Don't panic, Ray. Just hit Refresh.  So I hit Refresh, and the thing I expected to happen didn't happen.  Courage, Ray, I said, it's simply a matter of hitting that little button with the arrow on it at top left-hand corner of the page.  So I hit that little button with the arrow on it, and nothing happened.  Something like panic began to grip me then, I'll admit to that.  I set about hitting everything I could on the keyboard - I mean I HAMMERED the thing - still no luck...I called a mate of mine - a computer expert who works in the Financial Centre in town. He said "Don't panic, that's the first thing to do.  Now tell me what happened."  So I told him. He listened carefully.  He took notes.  He thought about it a bit and said  "Your stuffed.  You've lost the lot.  Why didn't you knock it up as a Word document?"  I won't tell you what I said then, Kenneth - it wouldn't get past the Moderator.  Let's just say he won't be talking to me for a while.
     Honestly mate, I'm gutted I lost the lot.  It really was good stuff.  I'll have to sleep on it tonight and when I get up tomorrow I'll attempt to do it all over again...but it won't be the same. Trust me, it won't be anything like as good.

[BillW]

Early in the piece, Raymond posted the following family tree:
 
Re: Halpin family of Wicklow - Link
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 14:34 GMT (UK) »   

________________________________________
Lineage - Nicholas Halpin, living 1809, m. Anne du Bois - they had one daughter, Susanna, and an only (?) son -
    William Henry Halpin, of Portarlington, m. Jan. 1787, Marianne Crosthwaite, and together they had -
    1. Nicholas John (Rev., Ed. of Dublin Evening Mail).
    2. William Henry (Ed. Cheltenham Mail).
    3. Frederick, m. 1844, Maria House, together they had -
         a. William Henry.
         b. Arthur Neville.
         c. Walter Charles.
         d. Frederick Webster.
         e. Herbert Beauchamp.
          f. Emma Hariette (my greatgrandfather Edwin's 'aunt Emma').
         g. Maria Lizzie, m. Cptn. George Bampfield.
         h. Jane Keville.
          i. Edith Marianne.
          j. Ada Louise.
         k. Kathleen Martha.
    4. Victor, educ. Trin. Coll. Dublin (matric. 1 Oct. 1810, aged 19).
    5. Charles, of Farnham Street, Cavan, MD., MRCS (Eng. 1830), LKQCP (Ireland, 1843), LM (Dublin, 1831), LRCSI (1834), LSA (Ireland, 1854), b. 1800, m. 28 Sept. 1836, Esther, dau of Rev. Joseph Druitt, Vicar of Denn, Co. Cavan, and d. 1859, leaving -
         a. Druid (Druitt), Civil Engineer at Colchester.
         b. Judith, m. - von Hoiken.
         c. Mary, m. - Herring.
         d. Esther, m. Col Harmann von Koppelow.
    6. Marianne, b. 1785; d, unm. 1858.

Noting the 2nd and 3rd last children of Frederick, son of William Henry and Marianne Halpin, there are Ada and Edith, and found in the National Archives probate:

Edith Mary Ann (Marianne?) Halpin - 14th Jan., - Late of Cliff Tce., Dun Laoghaire, Co. Dublin, Spinster, d. 27 Aug., 1935 Granted at Dublin to Ada L F Halpin, Spinster £275 2s 5d.

Ada Louise Farran Halpin - 3rd April - Late of Cliff Tce., Dun Laoghaire, Co. Dublin, Spinster, d. 10 Jan 1939.  Granted to Henry R Maunsell, solicitor, £2318 6s 6d.

(As an aside, in virtually every Victorian family I have researched, there have been large families and lots of unmarried children, especially women but frequently men.  Were they too protected?)

Bill.

[BillW]

Ray, I have "lost" lots of bits in dealing with RootsChat (but not 4 hours' worth) and I have to concur in compiling in Word and pasting to your RootsChat reply.  Even if I do a short contribution, I have learned to Select and Copy my piece before I hit any buttons and it is there to paste back in if your work disappears.
Sorry for the belated sage advice.  You have my very wholehearted appreciation of your guttedness.
Bill.

[BillW]

To J M Farrell

I particularly wish to thank you for your professed amateur genealogy.  We are all amateurs and merely do our best.  Without your contributions over the last while, I would have had no chance of connecting up the various Halpins in Wicklow.

You mention two men, Mr Jim Rees, local historian and author, and D Burns of the heritage offices for Wicklow Co Co.

May I respectfully suggest that it could be good for all our recent amateur contributions to this site be run past these gentlemen for comment and suggestions (if they are not already watching).  Would that be possible?  Without that, we may never know what corrections need to be made or what extra bits of information could be added.

Thanks and regards

Bill.