Gloucester - vanishing pubs!

[Keziahemm]

I think there's a way to send more 'personal' messages - e-mail addresses etc. but can't think how at the moment.

Sprout

Hi Sprout 

Click on the green personal message thingy (don't know what it's called  ) if you're on line it's lit up, under your name below profile piccy or where it says copyright national archives

Another option, click on the name of the person you want to contact,  their profile page opens, towards the bottom is the option to "send this RootsChatter a personal message".

Hello Sarah welcome to RootsChat, which is very addictive as no doubt you will find out 

If you need any help just ask.

Regards

Susan 

[Keziahemm]

Hi Sprout

In the Gloucestershire Militia survey of 1522 for Minsterworth

     William Gowgh   20s (goods)   bow & arrows (arms)
     Robert Gowgh



Susan 

Sarah I see you have a Robert wonder if this is a family name, as there is a Robert Gowgh in Minsterworth 1522! (Mentioned in reply 28).

Susan 

[sarahmess]

 You never know, they do like to carry the first name down the line.

Sarah

[worldsender]

Hi Sprout,

I ended up here through a certain Liz who had info from Sarah about you Gough research, all of us being in some way connected to the Goughs.

I descend from a Caroline Gough (c 1822-1886, who married a John Weir in Cheltenham in 1850. They went off to live in Welshpool, Montgomeryshire in Wales, where they are recorded on the 1851 census. A daughter of theirs married a Henry Carpenter and this family moved to Shrewsbury, where their granddaughter, my mother, was born.

Anyway, the point is, you said in an earlier post that Esther Gough appers to have "gone off" somewhere in the 1851 census. Actually, she is staying with, and presumably helping, the pregnant Caroline Gough in Welshpool. I've attached an image of the census return.

The reason I assume Caroline is another daughter of Joseph and Esther Gough is mainly because Caroline gives her father's name on the marriage certificate as Joseph Gough, Farmer. I've attached this certificate, too. One of the witnesses is a William Gough. Also Esther's age, on the Welshpool census return corresponds with that of your Esther. What do you think?

Could you answer a couple of questions, please?

Firstly, why do you say Esther's maiden name was Phelps? I hadn't been able to find anything on the IGI (and I live in Sardinia so I can't go bombing around Gloucestershire looking for parish records).

Secondly, please tell me about the memoirs you mention for William Gough. They sound fascinating.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Chris Pain

Moderator comment: images removed

[Sprout]

    Hi Chris
Interesting stuff...the facts certainly  fit the theory as far as they go. (For a moment I thought William would have left England before he could have witnessed Caroline's wedding but no, he sailed for America in August 1850-a month after the wedding)
It's just a shame we can find no info regarding Caroline's birth.

 Regarding Esther/Hester's surname, there is a very lovely lady called Susan who just finds out these things! I quote:

(Completed Look-ups)
Keziahemm
Re: Look up - Maisemore/Minsterworth - Gough
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 December 07 16:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sprout

Joseph Gough of Minsterworth
and Hester Phelps married at Rudford 22nd May 1810 by licence
Susan

She may even be able to 'sniff out' stuff on Caroline Gough if we ask her nicely.
Regarding William, it's lengthy so I'll send it as a personal message.
Relatives in Sardinia...how lovely!
Sprout

[SueTeakle]

Here is a baptism 


Caroline Gough - 28th January 1823 at St Lawrence, Barnwood
Parents - Joseph & Esther of Barnwood
Occupation - Farmer


Sue

[Sprout]

That was quick...thankyou Sue.
Chris, this may be a different set of Jo and Esthers to the Minsterworth couple?
Sprout

[worldsender]

Yes, you're right that was quick. Thank you from me too Sue. And thank you Sprout for all the stuff on the Rev. William Gough. I especially liked the ballad. Do you know if it's been set to music? If not, I might do it one of these days (another hobby of mine).

Sorry to the Copywright-Editor. I didn't realise you couldn't post images of certificates or census returns here. In future I'll do as you say and post a small relevant portion or send them privately.

Well, "Caroline Gough - 28th January 1823 at St Lawrence, Barnwood" is almost certainly the right baptism for my Caroline. I forgot to mention that in the 1881 census she gives her birthplace as "Gloucestershire, Barnwood". As you say, Sprout, this may mean her parents "Joseph & Esther of Barnwood" are a different set of Jo and Esthers to the Minsterworth couple, but not necessarily.

There are no Goughs in Barnwood in the 1841 , 1851 or 1861 censuses and no Gough births or marriages in Barnwood parish indexed on the IGI, so it seems these Gough were not a Barnwood family. They may have been living and working in this area on the western outskirts of Gloucester as they were later to be doing in Rodley, and later still in Cheltenham. The American material about William did mention that he had attended school in the city of Gloucester.

The only other couple of Joseph and Esther Goughs I can find any mention of are based in Thornbury and they had their children there between 1803 and 1809.

Anyway, I'd better start making lunch. That's my job around here. Doesn't it take the biscuit? Italians are supposed to be these fabulous cooks but in my house it's not my Italian wife but me, a Londoner, that gets to do all the cooking. I'll have another look at all the evidence later on.

Regards,

Chris

[Sprout]

I agree Chris, the evidence is promising in that Jo+Est don't appear in two places at the same time! (and share a William) I write songs too! Surely genetical evidence that we are related.
Biscuits for lunch?
Sprout.