Gloucester - vanishing pubs!

[Sprout]

Perhaps next time gillg. (Once you've passed church on right, carpark should be immediately on left.) Thanks for tip on book.

Ev, I think you should go to your crow's nest and think about what you've done.

[Keziahemm]

Hi Sprout

Good news is believe have found your Ship Inn alias Poolend House, the bad news it’s derelict! Why I think they are one and the same this is the address the Goughs were living according to 1881/1891/1901 census and is also where the Ship Inn would have been according to 1861/1871 census.

Daughter and I took a walk round Minsterworth village today trying to follow in the footsteps of census enumerator, looks like a different route was taken for each census but whichever way you go leads back to Poolend House, situated at the Naight. 

We met an old boy of the village who hadn’t heard of the Ship Inn but had recollections of Poolend, he said this was once a well known cider making cottage but now was difficult to get to over the fields down on the river bank.  We did find the cottage only the lower half now standing.  Have taken some photos and will post in the common room (can’t attach on this board).  Couldn’t get a very good one of the front – danger of slipping into the river, me that is not the cottage, didn’t fancy a ducking!  Along from Poolend (approx quarter mile) is the Naight House and Mermaid Cottage

When we got back home found an old map c 1920s and low and behold it shows Poolend House (copy posted in common room).

In the Gloucestershire Militia survey of 1522 for Minsterworth

     William Gowgh   20s (goods)   bow & arrows (arms)
     Robert Gowgh


How certain are you that the christening of Joseph Gough 1797 is yours?  I note on one census he states birth as Rodley which is just down the river from Minsterworth within Westbury on Severn parish, may be worth a look at that area.

Didn’t need the “concrete drill” after all!

Regards

Susan 

Photos here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271815.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271814.0.html

[Sprout]

Fascinating stuff! Thankyou so much yet again Susan….Ive always felt as if I have cider in the blood ( I fall over a lot) Just my luck it’s derelict….guess I owe your daughter a lemonade now.
I went to common room but wasn’t sure where to look….is Poolend east or west of Church? Maybe I could google- map it.
Looks like the Goughs have been around Minsterworth a while!

Let me explain my reasoning re. Joseph:

Using  FamilySearch.org   (IGI) I’ve found the following information:

Joseph Gough (b:1812 – Minsterworth, Glouc.)  Parents Joseph Gough and Esther.
George Gough (b:1815 – Minsterworth, Glouc.)  Parents Joseph Gough and Esther.
William Gough (b:1817 – Minsterworth, Glouc.)  Parents Joseph Gough and Esther.

I thought it was fairly safe to presume they’re the same family.

The only possible, nearby birth for Joseph senior would be 1797 in Maisemore, Glouc.(IGI) but this would mean he was 15 when he had Joseph junior.
This seemed unlikely but I have since found them on the 1841 census,(Westbury on Severn, Glouc., see below.) and Joseph+Esther are indeed living with another Joseph just 15 ish years younger than his (probably) father. (Esther is almost 10 years older than her husband! William and George are accounted for elsewhere. )

I was aware that Joseph(b:1797) was in Rodley, Westbury on Severn by 1841, but presumed he moved there in later life.(i.e went Maisemore – Minsterworth – Rodley) The situation is further confused by son George saying he was born in Minsterworth in every census except 1871, when he suddenly wants to be born in Rodley! I’d presumed he’d  found an old barrel of cider.

Why do you ask Miss Marple?.....what’s going on in that cunning mind of yours?

[Gillg]

Sprout

You must click on Susan's link to see the photo - it's very atmospheric.  So glad she managed much better than me and actually saw the place.

When Gloucester Record Office re-opens after Christmas I can take a look at Minsterworth records for you.  Looks as though there are BTs from1575 and registers from 1633.  Looks like there will be plenty of Goughs to be found.  I can also try Maisemore (quite a step away) and Westbury registers for a possible marriage. 

Gillg

[Keziahemm]

Hi S
click on these links for photos and map in the Common Room - Lighter side.

 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271815.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271814.0.html

Poolend is east of the church but doesn't appear on modern maps.

Why I was querying Joseph 1797 from Maisemore was because his age when he married would have been 13!! There was a large contingent of Goughs in Westbury on Severn at that time.

I presume you have the maiden name of George's wife Sarah (Artus).  There is a web site with the Artus family tree also includes George and children.

We had daughter's dogs with us yesterday unfortunately the cattle took exception so we had to get over the stile very quickly - sight to behold    When the fields are a bit drier will have another look at the cottage and take some photos of the inside, would have been a two up two down - the old boy told us the cider press was still there somewhere - can you lay claim to this as heir  

Regards

Susan  

[Sprout]

Sssh! The whole of Gloucester will be traipsing the fields to grab my Cider Press... I bequeath it to you on condition I get a tenth of the produce every Christmas Day!

Yes...bit of a problem with our Joseph...just matured early? I'll keep working on that.

Great photos  they neatly sum up my 'roots' (another line- Griffiths- were human scarecrows!)...if you ever need 'field-work' doing in East Devon or West somerset...let me know.

The reason I say google-map is it has a satellite option and you can zoom in on areas to incredible detail....p.s. you need to bring your washing in.
Sprout

[Keziahemm]

Have looked at satellite image on http:maps.live.com/ putting in postcode GL2 8JJ,  Poolend House should be approx qtr. mile east on edge of riverbank, apple orchard to rear but can't see it 

Susan 

[Sprout]

Never easy is it....thanks again and thanks to you to gillg. Let me know if you find anything..
Sprout

[Gillg]

Sprout

I shall probably need a reminder after the Christmas hullaballoo, please 

Gillg