Name Change ?

[TracyW]

There's an Ethel 'Vanneby' on the 1901 Census.

1 Thames Street West, Wallsend listed as a servant to John Wilson. She's aged 16 and says was born in Newcastle, but if she had been living there all her life and the head filled out the form, then it could be her.

If you can look at the page on ancestry, it could be Vanneley with the l & e running into each other to look like a 'b'.

The source citation is Class: RG13; Piece: 4795; Folio: 24; Page: 39

Cheers
Tracy

[TracyW]

Opps ignore that last post, got the 'l's and n's mixed up. Will take another look.

[mary45]

Hi Pat

I don't know what name she used. Wish I knew more !

By her maiden name she was a Gallagher and her family
were part of the Tyneside Irish I guess.

I,ll have to keep digging !

Thanks so much for your help !

Mary45

[mary45]

Hi Tracy !

This seems to be an interesting lead !!

I,ll check it out and I,ll get back if there is a link.

Thanks ever so much !!!

Cheers back :-)

Mary45

[Michael Dixon]

Mary45,
 (have you quried this before ? )


As you can see from my profile I "do" Gallaghers in Northumberland and Co Durham (from c1820s onwards) !

The St Mary's church on Clayton St (West) was/is the second RC church in Newcastle. (St Andrew's was the first)

It became a cathedral in 1850 (for the Diocese of Hexham and Newcastle)

It would have been very unusual for a newly-born RC child not to have been baptised very quickly after birth.

A two year gap ?. Maybe later baptism was a religion change?

Michael Dixon
Newcastle

[Northerngirl]

Mary

Thought I'd add my penny's worth to your searching.

There is an Ethel Venney to parents Charles H and Mary Venney born circa 1886 born and living in Yorkshire in the 1891 census.  Wonder if this is of any use to you.

J.A.

P.S - my family are Roman Catholic and my mother and aunts' and uncles' baptisms in the 1930's are recorded in Latin as are the marriages and my grandfather's burial record.  He was James and my grandmother was Ellen - they are variously recorded as Jacob and Helen.  Ethel may be a variant of Elizabeth.

[mary45]

Thankyou Northern Girl !

The Charles Vallaney/Vallany/Vanneby/Vanelly
would not have been in the 1891 cenus since he died just shortly
before the 1891 census was taken.

But thanks anyway for your effort :-)

Mary45

[mary45]

Hello Michael
Yes I have been down this road before on Gallaghers & Vallaney/Vallany/Vannely/Vanneby :-)

I became interested again when I checked the Free BMD and saw the entry
in a "new form" with latin names, and a new variation on the surname.

You are maybe right about the religion change. I have never thought about that.

Its interesting that Mary(Gallagher) and Charles got married circa 9 months after
Ethel was born. ?  She was baptised 27 Febuary 1889.I have a copy of the record.
It says she is the adopted daughter of the above couple.

Charles was a soldier and spent time abroad, came home with a lung desease
and died age 32yrs.

I doubt I will ever find out the truth of who gave birth to Ethel Vallaney.

But it is strange that she was baptised 2 yrs after her birth at St, Marys.

Mary45

[Michael Dixon]

Northerngirl,

Was your James really baptised as exactly  "Jacob" ? 

And Ellen as exactly "Helen" ?



Mary45,

You say you saw a "new form" in Latin on FreeBMD. Where on FreeBMD (which is CIVIL registration) are these Latin forms ?

Adoption !. Adoption did not become formal/legal or whatever until 1900s. Does Ethel's baptism record in 1889 really record that she was adopted ?

Michael Dixon