Name Change ?

[Mr J T Arthur]

Hello Mary,

Assuming Charles gave his correct age, he would have been in his 19th year when he first enlisted in February 1875 which means he could have been born as early as 1856 making it possible he was an older brother of Patrick, Mary and Catherine; however, if this was the case he could not have been baptised at St Mary's, Blackhill as those records only commence some time in 1857 when the church was founded. Prior to that Catholics from Consett and Blackhill were baptised at Brooms near Leadgate.

Do Charles' army records give his next of kin when he enlisted? I doubt if you would get a birth certificate based on your current information and the chances are that his birth would not have been registered, also there is a strong possibility he was born in Scotland if he did belong to the William Street family.

It's a head banger but I think you'll get there.

J.T.A.

[Michael Dixon]

Mary,

Terry mentioned possible root of Charles in Scotland.......

His death was registered (between 1st Jan-31 Mar) 1891 within  Tynemouth Registration District (age at death 33 yrs)

C1891 taken fairly soon after, shows an absence of related folk from their addresses at the time of his death...

14 Caledonia Street ( 4231-81-44 Longbenton District 3)Bradley family... no Gallaghers !

74 (-78) Walker Road (4231-8-10 & 4231-9-11 Longbenton District 1) shows several families.. no Valleney (or variations)
or Gallagher.

Elsewhere in this Walker district of Longbenton parish is a
Maggie Gallagher, 33 yr old wife of Patrick, living at 3-4 Tyne St ( 4231-31-55).  This Maggie is recorded as born in Scotland. On C1901 ( 4806-59-11) she is Margaret, 43, born Kirkcudbright, Scotland.

I wonder what her maiden name was !

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Have you got Newcastle baptism record of Mary, dtr of Michael Gallagher ?

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Michael Dixon
Newcastle

[mary45]

Michael & JTA

Thankyou for your replies.

I,ll check through your information & ideas.

Mary45

[Mr J T Arthur]

Mary,

 I've managed to make contact with the lady who is related to the the Vallely family of Consett. Will send you a personal message.

J.T.A.

[mary45]

This new angle with the Vallaney variation Vanelly/Vallelly
has been constantly in my thoughts and giving me new hope
of finding information about my grandmother & her birth parents.

JTA Thankyou so much.

Thankyou too Tracy for doing the "recap" and Michael Dixon for the Gallagher link !

Angela

[mary45]

Mary,

Terry mentioned possible root of Charles in Scotland.......

His death was registered (between 1st Jan-31 Mar) 1891 within  Tynemouth Registration District (age at death 33 yrs)

C1891 taken fairly soon after, shows an absence of related folk from their addresses at the time of his death...

14 Caledonia Street ( 4231-81-44 Longbenton District 3)Bradley family... no Gallaghers !

74 (-78) Walker Road (4231-8-10 & 4231-9-11 Longbenton District 1) shows several families.. no Valleney (or variations)
or Gallagher.

Elsewhere in this Walker district of Longbenton parish is a
Maggie Gallagher, 33 yr old wife of Patrick, living at 3-4 Tyne St ( 4231-31-55).  This Maggie is recorded as born in Scotland. On C1901 ( 4806-59-11) she is Margaret, 43, born Kirkcudbright, Scotland.

I wonder what her maiden name was !

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Have you got Newcastle baptism record of Mary, dtr of Michael Gallagher ?

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Michael Dixon
Newcastle

Hi Michael !

Its  strange that on Charles V death certificate it states "Maggie G "as  living at 14 Caledonia Street Walker.,
on the 10th March 1891 ,yet circa 3 weeks later she is not there when the census were taken.

I have also checked the 1891 census for Vallaney at 74 Walker Road , like you I found other surnames in the building  but no Vallaney. ?  I wonder where Mary & little Ethel were as I have been unable to find them in any census ?

No I do not have Marys baptism record of Mary Gallagher (father Michael)
Do you think I could apply for it with just a name & birth year and her fathers christian name ?
I,d love to know more about them.

Another twist in this story I have discovered is when Ethel Vallaney  married in 1904 at the register office i  Sunderland her fathers name is written as "George" Vallaney (soldier).

Mary45

[Michael Dixon]

Mary45,

Mary, wife of Charles V....

There are records that ..

give her maiden name (Gallagher) and..

 her father's name (Michael Gallagher)

What are the records/indicators that point to her been born in Newcastle ?

Michael

[mary45]

Michael

I don't have a 100% answer to that question.

Marys brother Patrick lived in Newcastle.
Mary was married there.
Michael was a coalminer and was,nt alive in 1887 .

Thats not much to go on I admit.

I,ve heard mention ...
 Newcastle Upon Tyne & Felling when my mother
talked about her mothers Gallagher & Vallaney family history.
(the little there was)

Michael, Mary & Patrick Gallagher.
There must have been quite a few people with these names
at that time in Newcastle Upon Tyne // Felling

Mary45