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Re: Annan - an elusive seaman
« Reply #54 on: Friday 28 March 08 04:15 GMT (UK) »
Goosebumps Goosebumps again!

What a wonderful history.

I have recovered from Ann's death..lovely the family made such a monument.

No one will chastise you for not going to Annan ...before this...everything has unfolded perfectly.

Such highs and lows, everyone will be so pleased for you.

I have a probable right David Shennan for you...
David died 1869 aged 37yrs, in Victoria. father William and mother Sarah. he was born Scotland.
also in Inquests.
David died Sandhurst, from (fall of earth).....I wonder if this is a mine cave in

David may have married Helen or Ellen Don.. if this is the right David they married 1857 victoria.
and had 3 children

Jane Shannan born 1857 Ballarat, and died 1859
Sarah Ann Shennan 1859 Ballarat.
Agnes Johnson Shennon 1862 Beaumont.

It looks likely that Sarah Ann Shennan married Thomas Anderson Cook 1878...the index says she was born Ballarat..
They had
Henry Cook  1879  Will ( not sure what town that is short for )...vic
David Alexander Cook 1881 also Will, Vic
Thomas Anderson Cook 1883 Brunswick, Vic
      Thomas Anderson Cook, born Brunswick 1883, died at Yarram, aged 64.  He came to live in   Balook in 1889 and was the Yarram to Traralgon "Mailman of the Hills" from 1912 for 25 years.  August 1948 Traralgon Journal

cont: sarah's children.
William Don Cook 1887 Fitzroy, Vic
they had another 3 children in Traralgon, Vic

Agnes Johnston Shennan married Robert John Chapple 1884 she was born Fiery Creek, Victoria.
They had
Helen Don Chapple 1884 Ballarat. she died 21 days later.
Robert Arundle Chapple 1886 Ballarat.

they had another 7 children in Stawell, Vic..
will write them up later.

Well there you go it is all correct..I found this posting..
http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/hw/help2008.htm

this is what it says
SHENNAN / SHENNON
I am looking for information on the SHENNAN/SHENNON family. David Shennan married Hellen DON on 17th March 1857 at Presbyterian Church Ballarat. The marriage certificate stated that he was 26, gold miner from Annan Scotland. His father was William SHENNAN a shoe maker, his mother Sarah IRVING. Hellen DON was 25, from Auchterader Scotland. Her parents Alexander DON and Jean ( nee SOMERVILLE) came to Australia in 1856 on the "Arthur The Great" with their children Anne 22, Alexander 12, Robert 12, Hellen 24, James 17. They were assisted immigrants.
David and Helen had three daughters Sarah Ann(SHENNAN) born 1859, Jane(SHANNAN) born 1857, Agnes Johnson(SHENNON) born 1862.
Agnes married Robert CHAPPLE in 1883. I am looking for some information on when and where David SHENNAN came to Australia, how he got to Ballarat. I believe a David SHENNON was killed in a mining accident in 1869, but haven't confirmed this is the same David SHENNON. If it is what would have happened to Hellen? Did she remarry? When or where did she die? Where is David buried?
Any information or help would be appreciated.
Contact: Pam Messenger, 6 Morison Street, Maffra Vic 3860, Australia - EMAIL - February 2008


Lovely to hear from you again E
JO 8)
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Re: Annan - an elusive seaman
« Reply #55 on: Saturday 29 March 08 01:56 GMT (UK) »
I thought there was enough on my last post just to winkle you out of your chair but I should have know better; just one sniff of the rabbit and the hounds are off in full chase. Kenjo lines them up and Pam pops up and ticks every ping.

PAM   “Believes David was killed in a mining accident”
Kenjo   has the inquest for David: died Sandhurst, from (fall of earth).....I wonder if this is a mine cave in.  The memorial stone says:  David Shennan their eldest son born 26 June 1829  and accidentally killed in the Deep Lead Gold Mine, Huntley Victoria 3 June 1869. Is that helpful ?

When I was looking for Robert Shennan, who was missing on the night of the 1841 Census, I found a Robert Shennan in Liverpool. He too was a mariner but the bells rang out for the address – Sparling Street. Captain John used to stay at Hugh Cameron’s lodging house at number 38. Robert Shennan and his wife Janet were from Caerlaverock, east of Annan, but had been in Liverpool prior to the birth of their eldest child, Robert, who was in 1851, an apprentice seaman. In the early days while Robert senior was at sea, Janet and her son Robert stayed in a boarding house in a Scottish enclave in Toxteth, but, by 1851 they had moved to 59 Sparling Street. Robert’s brother, John was also a master mariner. Not relatives of Ann?, well, not very close. She did not stay with them when she came down to Liverpool to marry John and it was John Henderson, the tailor, who was best man at the wedding. But this is yet another example of the Dumfries nautical presence and the replication of social networks in commercial hubs.

While in Annan, we drove out to Cummertrees, climbed into the cemetery, but found no trace of the Glovers – John Elliot’s mother’s family. On a whim, we carried on into the village, and found the Kirk with a wonderful lych-gate. Just three rows in and there was John Glover: farmer in Malsgill, who died 9th May 1799 aged 54 years also Helen Radcliff his spouse who died 31st January 1799 aged 48 years, also Joseph their youngest son, mariner, he died at Sierra Leone 18th January 1826 aged 34 years, also Anthony Glover their son, mariner, who died at Annan 25th January 1847, aged 63 years . Five years before Anthony’s death, the 1841 census shows Anthony’s wife, Charlotte (Foster) Glover and her daughter, Jane in Queensbury Street in Annan, with three young children, the youngest, 2 year old John Park who grew up to be master mariner and retired to Annan ( census 1901). Four year old, Charlotte Blacklock’s mother, Margaret (Glover) Blacklock had given birth to baby Helen three days before the census took place, hence youg Charlotte farmed out to her Aunt.  Father – John, though not a mariner was in one of the other “family” trades – “joiner and cabinet maker”. This link was made thanks to the MIs for the Old Burial Ground.

So John Elliot’s in laws and his uncles were mariners. Uncle Anthony was around up until the year before John was apprenticed to Robert Ewart, Master of the Lawsons. When he was ashore, Robert Ewart lived with his wife and three small children in Port Street, within view of the Manse. He was the son of James Ewart, one of more than two dozen ship owners listed in Pigot’s Directory for Annan (1837). Robert survived many voyages and retired to a house on Watchill, on the eastern edge of Annan. The MIs - and I have only two for the smaller cemeteries - are bulging with mariners. But even at this stage there emerges a much clearer picture of a community with shipping at its centre: John was not a one off.
There is more to be done on the MIs.
I am in contact with Pam - David's descendant - and I await more news from Oz.
Elliot,  Baverstock,  Shennan, Glover, Radcliffe

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Re: Annan - an elusive seaman
« Reply #56 on: Saturday 29 March 08 07:46 GMT (UK) »
Fantastic work E!

The layers have been peeled back, and I am so happy to be corrected about Johns blood.
It is only fitting that mariners blood ran freely through John's veins.
You have revealed so very much..
To have the headstones to back all your earlier searching, is a blessing..and huge plus.
I don't have any headstones in my family....
Your heritage is rich.
Pam will be thrilled to have her questions answered..

So pleased for you.
JO :D
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Re: Annan - an elusive seaman
« Reply #57 on: Friday 18 April 08 05:11 BST (UK) »
Hello. my wife is a descendant of the elusive seaman, Captain John Elliot.  i was referred to this rootschat site by a person who had previously read your story. i haven't used this site before.  I've quickly scanned your posts and am just amazed with what you have put together here. this is simply wonderful.  i can't wait to analyze every name, date, reference etc.

before i do that i simply had to post a quick reply to say  thank you for your hard work.

my wife's grandfather, John Elliot, was the son of Joseph Elliot and the grandson of Capt. John Elliot. I've collected quite a bit of information about her family tree but couldn't find much about the seaman Capt. John Elliot. you have certainly filled in those gaps. thanks so much.

i have so many questions to ask I'm not sure where to start.  can you tell me if the family tree of capt. john elliot has been summarized somewhere like on Genes Reunited or a personal website?   
 
Merv and Kathy Scott
Victoria, BC, Canada
Scott-Traquair, Catslacknowe, Ashkirk, Sco
Stutt-Co Fermanagh and Tyrone, Ulster, NI
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf Sco
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Co Tipperary, Ire
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Sco and Egremont Engl
Little-Canonbie Sco,  Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey Eng
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co. Ire
Smith-Whitehaven Eng


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Re: Annan - an elusive seaman
« Reply #58 on: Friday 18 April 08 11:56 BST (UK) »
Hello Canadian cousins - what a delightful discovery.
Kathy will be the granddaughter of John (who was born in 1888 in Egremont) and Annie who was born in St.Bees a year earlier. If I have the geometry right, John was my 1st cousin once removed. So indeed we are kin.  Quick hugs all round. Yet again we must conjure up a small, sweet sherry for Kenjo who was instrumental in this act of family reunion.
I will be delighted to learn as much as possible about the 20th Century branch, not to say 21st Century, of the family
Elliot,  Baverstock,  Shennan, Glover, Radcliffe

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Re: Annan - an elusive seaman
« Reply #59 on: Saturday 19 April 08 02:05 BST (UK) »
hello cousin....my that has a nice ring to it.

Kathy's grandfather is John Elliot born Oct 4, 1887 in Moor Row, Egremont. he had married Isabella Mills Little (born, Aug 23, 1892, Denholm).

her great grandfather, Joseph Elliot, was born Sept 15, 1861, at 13 Cumberland Terrace, Annan to Capt John and Ann Shannon.  Joe married Ann Smith on Nov 30, 1886 at Egremont.

i'll add more to this site when i have a moment.

Your tracking of the Captain's naval records is amazing. did you find his death certificate? i've gone thru the string of posts above once but need to read it much more closely.  was it cholera or typhoid or something that took him and his wife?

Merv and Kathy
Scott-Traquair, Catslacknowe, Ashkirk, Sco
Stutt-Co Fermanagh and Tyrone, Ulster, NI
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf Sco
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Co Tipperary, Ire
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Sco and Egremont Engl
Little-Canonbie Sco,  Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey Eng
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co. Ire
Smith-Whitehaven Eng

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Re: Annan - an elusive seaman
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 19 April 08 02:24 BST (UK) »
Tried to scale a picture of John's Master's Certificate but - it is still too big. My usual limitations are accentuated at this hour. I will try again tomorrow.
Elliot,  Baverstock,  Shennan, Glover, Radcliffe

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Re: Annan - an elusive seaman
« Reply #61 on: Saturday 19 April 08 17:56 BST (UK) »
hello from Canada.

your discussions have provided so much incredible information to me that i simply have to pay you back by providing some information that hopefully you dont' have.

i'm not sure where to start but i'll try my luck with Joseph (Joe) Elliot, born to John and Anne (M.S. Shennon...or is it Shannon?).

you have given me some wonderful information about his youth that was a strange void for me.  what an interesting but tragic tale.  if it's any consolation it finishes much happier for Joe.  here's the short form.

Joe married Anne Smith of Whitehaven on Nov 30, 1866 at Bigrigg, Egremont.  She was born about 1866 to Aaron Smith a Collier.  Joe became the key operators of the local grocery called the Cleator Moor Co-operative Society and Anne worked there with him.

Kathy's mother, Elsie, told us of stories about her grandfather Joe and that he served in the Co-op Society for 60 years, being the manager for all of his working life, retiring in 1934.  Elsie also reported that Joe was a good athlete and known as one of the best billiards players in West Cumberland and to have excelled at (lawn) bowling, and served as the Worshipful Master of Stirling Lodge Freemasons in 1897.

Joe and Anne had a large family that i'll discuss in later postings:
- John (Kathy's grandfather)
- Aaaron (middle name was Smith)
- Joeseph
- Florence...i'm confused here but might be the same person as Rene??
- Annie May
- Mary Lillian
- Nellie
- Esther Ellen
- Allan (i have located Allan's son and his family here in Canada and we are presently starting to share information)

i hope this is of help to you?  i'd be happy to post more.

Merv and Kathy

Scott-Traquair, Catslacknowe, Ashkirk, Sco
Stutt-Co Fermanagh and Tyrone, Ulster, NI
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf Sco
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Co Tipperary, Ire
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Sco and Egremont Engl
Little-Canonbie Sco,  Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey Eng
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co. Ire
Smith-Whitehaven Eng

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Re: Annan - an elusive seaman
« Reply #62 on: Saturday 19 April 08 18:47 BST (UK) »
Six months ago, I was asking if there was any chance of a lead on an Annan mariner - John Elliot and now I have cousins in Canada - increasing with each posting: BC and now Toronto. And not just names and dates - but the life details. And Uncle Joe was a stalwart of the Coop at a time when the area was still expanding greatly in the scramble for the haematite: demand expanding with the exponential growth in demand for iron. All of that has long gone and it is simply the edge of the Lake District. Were it not for our ancestors there we might have lost sight of  the historical significance of that area in the Industrial Revolution and the irony of Joe servicing the workers  producing the iron and feeding the steam that would put an end to the great sailing ships.
Your news about the last three children Nellie. Esther and Alan is also an addition to my info - as I reckon they were born after the 1901 census. And we may hear more about Alan and his family. Oh delight!

N.B. Slip on the keyboard - Joe and Ann got married at Bigrigg, Egremont, Dec, 1886 (Whitehaven 10b 873)
Elliot,  Baverstock,  Shennan, Glover, Radcliffe