Barr Family

[Rae33]

Hello Ann

I have sent you a PM with my email address but have not heard from you. Do you have the details of the death of William Robertson (son of Wm and Helen Barr).  I am anxious to see if our family links up. I would really appreciate this information.

Regards....Rae

[Ann Baker]

Hi Rae

Apologies for not having been back to you! Life a bit hectic at the mo.

William's death date is 9/9/1872. He died at 45 Storie St Paisley - Wife Elizabeth Wylie.

Ann

[Rae33]

Hello Ann

Thank you for your reply re William Robertson.  I thought if he had been married previously (hopefully to my Elizabeth Grozet) her name would also be shown on Wm's death certificate.  Did it give his age.

Regards....Rae

[Ann Baker]

Hi Rae

This is odd, I didn;t see your reply pop up hmmmm. Just I thought would have a wee look at the thread.

Anyway he was 60 when he died. I have seen certs with Eliz Grozet on when I've been looking and discounted them cos I was looking for Wylies. I am not sure if he married twice or not. Does William Robertson and Helen (Ellen) Barr appear on any cert with Eliz Grozet? (Sorry I can;t remember now. The Robertsons research kkinda leaves me a bit brain numb at times). If so then I'll have opened them on SPs so won;t be hard to back track

Ann

[Ann Baker]

ooops should say I usually take age on death cert with pinch of salt and use as a guide only cos have found some 20 years out before!

Hey ho!

Ann

[Ann Baker]

Rae

Yes if he'd had more than one wife I would have fully expected to have seen both on his death cert but I suppose it all depends on how much the person reporting it knew at the time.

Ann

[Ann Baker]

Just checked his death cert and it was misrecorded as RobINson. Is def him tho cos the parents are right and wife. Who did indeed die after him (she was illierate) so she'd not have known they spelt it wrong.

I have his marriage banns to Eliz Wylie and unusually it gives parents names - hence why I know he's the man. (I was sadly disappointed after this in OPR banns - was first one I;d seen and expected them all to have parents names and they don;t)

Ann

[Rae33]

Hello Ann

The age 60 on the death cert floored me for a moment - thinking if William was born in 1812 would make him a bit young to be marrying Elizabeth Grozet on 30 Jan 1829 - he would be only 17.  Possible I guess.  I have been basing his birthdate c1807 from the dates in 1851and 1861. I have his marriage banns to Eliz Grozet from OPR and of course just the bare details William Robertson and Elizabeth Grozet both of this Parish 3 days booked 9th married 30th by Revd Walter Blair, Paisley.
The only other reference to Elizabeth Grozet I have been able to find is when their daughter Agnes was born on 17 Mar 1830, i.e. apart from her being named as Alexander's mother on his marriage and death certificates.  No record of birth for Alexander, born c1840 in Paisley.
Yes I usually check out the Robinsons as Alexander's eldest daughter Helen was in among the Robinsons. That was another point I pinned my hopes on Helen Barr being Alexander's grandma - if his own mother had died when he was young, and Helen Barr reared him, maybe that's why they named their first daughter Helen.
I agree with you that it would be nice if they put the parents' names on the marriage certs.  One could only wish.
If I could ask you one more favour, you said you had the 1841 census for William and Helen Robertson and I was wondering if William (35) Agnes (11) and Alexander (1 or 2) showed on it.

Thanks so much...Rae

[Ann Baker]

Hi Rae

The 1841 is :

William Robertson aged 54 Cotton Handloom Weaver
Helen Robertson aged 43
James Robertson aged 25 Cotton Handloom Weaver
Elizabeth Robertson aged 15 Shawl Weaver
Helen Robertson aged 13 Shawl Weaver

I've seen Elizabeth Grozet pop up ona few recrds I've opened in error on S People. Not sure tho if or how she's connected to my guys. My lot were tho connected with the Gaelic Chruch where Walter Blair was indeed the Minister.

Hope this helps

Ann