RATCLIFFE's from Kent

[Modbury]

Looking for information on Daniel RATCLIFFE b abt 1801 River Kent so all the census material tell's us, he was a Papermaker. All info welcomed with source of material.

Many thanks.

Bernie

[Noycie]

Hi

I too am looking for Ratcliffe's in Kent.
I have a William Ratcliffe born 1873 Dover, Henry Ratcliffe born circa 1830-1836 in Eastry. Possible father John born circa 1800 in Goodnestone.
Please let me know if come across them.

Happy Hunting

Clare

[BettyofKent]

Hi Bernie, welcome to Rootschat.

There are only two RATCLIFF Baptisms in River.
This one might be your Daniel's son.
6th Apr 1823 Daniel RATCLIFF 
Parents Daniel & Hester.  Papermaker.

One Marriage in River.
18th Apr 1818
Daniel RATCLIFF to Esther PAY
Witnesses: Rich. Pay & Mary Pay.

Betty

Looking for information on Daniel RATCLIFFE b abt 1801 River Kent so all the census material tell's us, he was a Papermaker. All info welcomed with source of material.

Many thanks.

Bernie

[Modbury]

Hi Betty,

Yes, there is a possible that Daniel married a Hester, but from the 1841 census he has Mary as his wife, maybe his 2nd ? living at Milton Kent, in the 1851 census Mary's birth place I cannot read ? but living at Charlton, then in the 1861 census he is living at Winchcombe Gloucestershire with Mary A b Hertfordshire, then in the 1871 census he is still at Winchcombe but with another wife called Alice b Winchcombe.
From the 1841 census the children of Daniel are Elizabeth b abt 1826, William b abt 1829, Sarah b abt 1836, Emma b abt 1839 then my gg/grandfather George b abt 1840 Milton which I have to get birth cert, I have his marriage cert and death cert's from Peterborough.

Daniel the son you mentioned maybe his son, but there is another Daniel RATCLIFF(E) b River around the same year 1801/05, I believe he stayed in the Kent area working as a labourer, more research needed, but this Daniel is not the one I am after as yet.

I shall be sending off for the birth cert for George b Milton 1840, if you should come across a death for a Hester then do please let me know.

Thanks Betty for a quick response to my posting.

Best Wishes
Bernie

[Modbury]

I have made a note of your RATCLIFFE line Clare, just in case, if I should find anything I shall let you know.

Best Wishes
Bernie

[Valda]

Daniel's marriage to Alice would provide you with details about his father.

Marriages Jun 1863
HEYDEN  Alice     Winchcomb  6a 647   
RATCLIFF  Daniel     Winchcomb  6a 647   
RATCLIFFE  Daniel     Winchcomb  6a 647

Deaths Sep 1862   
Ratcliffe  Mary     Winchcomb  6a 185

Deaths Mar 1877
RATCLIFFE  Daniel  77  Winchcombe  6a 280

Deaths Mar 1882   
RATCLIFFE  Alice  75  Winchcomb  6a 273

Mary, Daniels' wife, gave her birthplace as what looks like High Wycombe Buckinghamshire (Wickum) on the 1851 census (High Wycombe was a papermaking area).

A possible marriage for the couple.

DANIEL RATCLIFF
MARY PAY 
Marriage:  17 DEC 1820   Saint James The Apostle, Dover, Kent

Regards

Valda

[Modbury]

Hi Valda,
Many thanks for your input, some I have found in the last couple of days.

I have sent for Daniel RATCLIFFE marriage cert thinking the same lines as you have regarding father's name which I think will be also Daniel !!. I have also sent for George RATCLIFFE birth cert b Milton Dec qtr 1840, I have entered the father being Daniel as there are a couple of George's registered for that year.
I also think that Alice HAYDEN that married Daniel in 1863 was also married to Thomas GREENING and also Alice maiden name is WOOLVIN, that is if my detective work is correct ?.

Yes, I think you maybe right with High Wycombe regarding Mary wife of Daniel in the 1851 census, more research needed.

Regarding the children of Daniel that went to Winchcombe I have found that Elizabeth may have married James FIT(T)ALL, Emma RATCLIFFE had a daughter called Fanny in 1858 then went onto marry George HART in 1861 Winchcombe, he died in 1870 and Emma went onto marry Charles CLAPTON 1878 Winchcombe. Ann Maria RATCLIFFE another daughter married James HART in 1866 Winchcombe, I think George's brother. Also Lucretia RATCLIFFE married James CLAYTON in 1872 Winchcombe, these I have to get more proof via certs or PR's to be 100% correct.

As there are more than a couple of Daniel RATCLIFF(E)'s in the area of Kent being born and married I shall await for Daniel's marriage cert to arrive before I start jumping the gun, but my thinking is that Daniel married Hester (Esther) PAY on the 18th April 1818, then she died maybe at childbirth ! then he went onto marry  Mary PAY on the 17th Dec 1820 which is the Mary we find in Winchcombe, but we shall see.

Best Wishes

Bernie

[Valda]

Bernie

there are also these (not child baptisms because they are Baptist - births) children of Daniel Ratcliffe and Hester.

MARY ANN RATLIF 
Birth:  16 NOV 1818   Baptist, Eythorne, Kent
Father:  DANIEL RATLIF   
Mother:  HESTER 

ELIZABETH RATCLIFFE   
Birth:  1827   Baptist, Eythorne, Kent
Father:  DANL. RATCLIFFE 
Mother:  HESTER 

Regards

Valda

[jmp]

Bernie, have you got any further with your Ratcliff line. Its just that I think we may have a connection with my Ratcliff family. One of the boys Richard Belsey Ratcliff appears to have been baptised in River in 1805, parents John and Elizabeth

Let me know if you would like any information
Jackie