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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 17 November 07 16:49 GMT (UK) »
These might be of interest, as you say Robert & Elizabeth married in Bredgar.

BREDGAR Baptisms
Children of Robert & Elizabeth MATSON

3rd Feb   1790  Robert
20th Sep 1791  Edward
2nd May  1793  Mary Ann
20th Sep 1794  George William
12th Mar 1796  William
??     ??   1797?     ?                 Robert & Elizabeth?


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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 18 November 07 08:15 GMT (UK) »
The first New Zealand website I quoted also states

'Henry Matson, was born in Kent in 1814 and emigrated with his brother to Australia in 1835.'

The second website gives Henry's age at his death.

'People buried here include the ‘grandfathers’ of the family, Henry Matson, 71, who died on 24 October 1885.'

The Rochester Matsons farmed 'Upper Delce farm'.

In New Zealand Henry Matson's estate was called Delce.

'Triggs bought a farm just west of the railway crossing at Papanui next door to Henry Matson’s estate, Delce’.

The brother who emigrated with Henry Matson could have been his brother Robert or his brother George. Both were at some point in Australia but both returned to England. Robert was at home with his parents in Rochester on the 1851 census, George was probably at that time in Australia. Robert was also there on the 1841 census so it looks as if his time in Australia was shorter in the early 1840s and it was perhaps George who went with his brother in 1835.

THE WRECK OF THE "ISABELLA"
On 18 June 1844 the "Isabella" left Melbourne headed for London, England and Leith, Scotland. She was a 422 ton barque under the command of Captain J. F. Hardie. Her journey had started in Sydney and since arriving at Melbourne on 6 April 1844 had loaded a cargo of wool.
When she left Melbourne there was a strong fair wind and thick weather which had increased to a hurricane by 21 June when land was sighted. Captain Hardie mistakenly thought this to be part of the Kent Group of islands and tried to navigate through what he believed to be a well known channel of those islands. Unfortunately the land was actually part of Flinders Island and the ship ran aground on a reef of rocks on the morning of 22 June 1844.
All the passengers and crew were able reach shore safely before the ship broke up. After some days they made contact with a party of sealers and a few days later reached the "Flying Fish" which was on the other side of Flinders Island and about to sail for Melbourne. They were all taken aboard the "Flying Fish" and arrived at Melbourne on 2 July 1844.
On 9 September 1844 the Postmaster, Henry D. Kemp, issued a list of some letters he was holding at the Melbourne Post Office. He said that these letters had been rescued from the wreck of the "Isabella" and would be re-forwarded to London in the first direct mail. This list, with addresses abbreviated for privacy reasons, was published in the "Port Phillip Herald" on 17 September 1844, and appears hereunder:

MATSON, Robert - Rochester, Kent, England

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~pioneers/pppg5ao.htm

On the 1851 census both Robert Matson junior and James Moon Matson were at home with their parents in Rochester. John Matson was married with a wife and two daughters and living in Camberwell Surrey. He married in Dover (Kent) registration district in 1844. At the time of the 1851 census John was a clerk in the Admiralty Office. No sign of brother George and from this website it looks as if he was in Australia since he played cricket for Tasmania in the 1850s.

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/2/2626/2626.html

Full name: George Matson
Born: 5th December 1817, Rochester, Kent, England
Died: 22nd July 1898, Brighton, Sussex, England
Teams: Tasmania (Main FC: 1853/54-1857/58)

On the 1881 census George was living in Brighton a retired banker.

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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 18 November 07 08:21 GMT (UK) »
what wonderful research there Valda well done
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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 18 November 07 11:42 GMT (UK) »
This is really wonderful. Many thanks for all your help. I must second 'toni' and thank Valda especially for all her research and also Betty of Kent.
I will go through it all as soon as I can and get back to you all.
What a wonderful and helpful community this site has!
Many thanks again
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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 19 November 07 14:42 GMT (UK) »
Hello.
I've worked through everything and as it's so confusing I would like to post what I believe is the correct answer.
We appear to have 3 separate families.
1) Robert Matson (abt 1786-1865) and Elizabeth Moon who were at Upper Delce Farm, St Margaret, Rochester. One of their children was Henry (1814-1885) who was in Royal Navy. Shipwrecked off Tasmania on the GEORGE III 394 tons Convict ship 14.12.1834 dep London 205 convicts, Capt W.H. Moxey. 12.4.1835 Hit rocks Derwent R 133 lost, 161 survivors included Henry Matson, first mate.
Married firstly Alice Manifold (1813 Cheshire -1857 Bullengarooke, Victoria, Australia) on the 21st March 1837 at Launceston, Tasmania and married secondly Edith Deardon (? -  1921) at St. Michael’s, Christchurch, New Zealand. Henry died in Papanui in 1885.

2) Robert Matson (1788-1881) and Mary Elizabeth Ashenden who were at Wingham. One of their children was Henry (1823-aft.1881) who married Lucy ? and was still living in Wingham in 1881.

3) Robert Matson (1867-1841) and Elizabeth Murton who were at Borden/Bredgar. One of their children was Henry (1807-?).

Does that seem right?

It looks like the mystery of Henry's date of birth is solved  as it seems I had my Henrys mixed up!
I have one remaining problem though.
I have the ancestors for Robert Matson (1788-1881), family number 2 above and also Robert Matson (1867-1841), family 3 above.
However the Rochester family of Robert (abt1786-1865) and Elizabeth Moon are completely new to me.

There is the possibility of a connection between the families as another of the sons of Robert and Elizabeth Murton was Edward (1791-1893) who is commenorated on a tablet at the West Doorway of Rochester Cathedral as Lieut E.Matson, one of those Officers who 'served without casualty' in the Peninsular Campaign.)

After all the help you have so far given, I hardly bear to ask, but I wonder if you have anything further about Robert's (abt,1786-1865) parents etc which might help me tie the family into my records? It seems that both Robert and his wife came from the Dover area and moved to Delce Farm when married. I'm wondering if Robert may have taken over a farm from another family member which is why they didn't remain nearer to where they were married?

Once again my many thanks.

To fill a few blanks -
The reference below, which Valda found, is to a will of one of my ancestors in which he left most of his estate to Dover Harbour Board for maintenance of a pier on which he lost his favourite walking cane!! A small fund was also set up to look after 'poor' Matsons though!

East Kent Archives Centre: Dover Harbour Board
Catalogue Ref. DHB
MISCELLANEOUS
Worker's Welfare Committee - ref. DHB/Z5
FILE - List of papers relating to Henry Matson's legacy - ref.  DHB/Z39  - date: 1957

This entry from Betty I believe refers to Charles Matson in 1797.
??     ??   1797?     ?                 Robert & Elizabeth?

And these 3 also from Betty, I can't fit in at the moment either -
18th Aug 1782  Robert  son of William & Mary MATSON 

24th Apr 1805  James Gunsley  son of Edward & Sophia MATSON
27th Apr 1806  Kate Francis  daughter of Edward & Sophia MATSON

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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 19 November 07 18:09 GMT (UK) »
what wonderful research there Valda well done


and Betty of course,  ;D sorry didn't mean to miss you out  :-[
just reading it through its beginning to make sense!

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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 20 November 07 11:34 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Toni.  I will wait until I hear Betty and Valda's opinions before altering my records, but it seems that we are making progress  :)
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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 21 November 07 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Swingfield parish registers are not indexed on the IGI or the BVRI. I have no access to them, so I have no idea who Robert Matson's parents were and whether there is any connection to him with any other Matson families in Kent.
Swingfield parish is adjacent to Folkestone and close to Dover in south east Kent.
Wingham though in east Kent is further north.
Borden and Bredgar are further north and are more central Kent.
Rochester is further west still, but in the north of Kent.
On the 1841 census there were 171 Matsons living in Kent (from an index). The 1851 census index I have access to states 151 Matsons born Kent - 2 were born in Swingfield - Robert and his possible sister Mary Matson who was born circa 1788.

1851 census HO107 1621 folio 320
Bridge Street Ashford Kent
John C Knott 68  Head Married Superintendent Gas Works Ashford Kent
Elizabeth Knott 67 Wife Married  Swingfield Kent
Mary Matson 63 Sister-in-law Unmarried Annuitant Swingfield Kent

Deaths Jun 1858   
Matson  Mary    W Ashford  2a 345

Deaths Dec 1858   
Knott  Elizabeth     W Ashford  2a ___

Which gives three Matsons at least born in Swingfield.


St Margaret Rochester parish registers are indexed for baptisms on the IGI from 1718 to 1812. There is only one Matson baptism.

Rebecca Matson 
Christening:  21 APR 1797   Saint Margaret, Rochester, Kent
Father:  Peter Matson   
Mother:  Sarah     

Rochester is/was an historic town and therefore would attract people to want to move to live there, who did not necessarily have a connection with the town.
 
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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 22 November 07 12:46 GMT (UK) »
Hello Valda,
Many thanks for the latest information. In the information section of FreeBMD I've found an Index of Places which says that Swingfield was in Elham at the beginning of Civil registration (Swingfield KEN 1837-1941 Elham).
If possible, do you you have anything in Elham for Robert?

Thanks to your info., I've found the marriage of John Cullen Knott and Elizabeth Matson.  'Elizabeth Matson spotp  John Cullen KNOTT b Ashford L East Langdon Apr 22 1813 ' and Elizabeth's christening entry in the Whitfield Parish register 454 23rd March 1777 where she is one of eight children of James Matson [christened 3rd Sept.1738 (Westcliffe Register 448) to ? ] and Ann Arnold who married 7th December 1767 at East Langdon. This seems confusing as in the record you have from the census she is recorded as born Swingfield. On the Christening record of her brother James in 1779, parents James and Ann are described as Parishioners of St. James, Dover.
So it appears that Elizabeth moved around between Whitfield, Swingfield, St. James Dover and later East Langdon.

James and Ann also have a Christening for a Mary Matson on 23rd September 1787 (Whitfield) and there is a burial for a Mary Matson 20th March 1791 (Whitfield) so possibly John and Elizabeth had a daughter named Mary who died and then a second daughter who survived to be recorded in the 1851 census? However the dates do overlap and with the survivor being born about 1788 her christening looks like the 23rd September 1787 and so perhaps the burial is of another Mary from another family as yet unknown.

The other children of James Matson and Ann Arnold unfortunately do not include a Robert. They are Sarah born 10th January 1767 or 16th January 1768 (Guston), Susannah 19th May 1770/1 to 12th June 1770/1 (Guston), Ann 12th June 1772 to ? (Guston), James 6th Nov, 1774 to ? (Whitfield), Susanna 9th April 1780 (Guston/Whitfield) to 10th October 1856 (Alkham), Richard 14th September 1783 (Whitfield)

The Rebecca christening at Rochester St. Margaret looks as though she might be a daughter of an elder brother of the Robert we're looking for, but just a guess really! I've found the marriage for Peter and Sarah. ' Peter Matson otp  Sarah DAVIS   spotp  B Minster Sheppey Jun 12 1796 '.

Fingers crossed for Elham.
Many thanks again.


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