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Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« on: Friday 16 November 07 11:35 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
I have a problem with dates which I hope someone can help with please.
Robert Matson and Mary Elizabeth Ashenden were married 17th December 1818 at Nonnington. They seem to have had five children - Mary Anne (1819-died as infant), Eliza (1820-?), Marianne (abt.1823-1911 in Australia), Henry (?-1885 in Australia) and John (1825-?).
My query is with the date of birth of Henry.
I have the following from a contact in Australia:-
"Henry Matson was in Royal Navy. Shipwrecked off Tasmania. GEORGE III 394 tons Convict ship 14.12.1834 dep London 205 convicts, Capt W.H. Moxey. 12.4.1835 Hit rocks Derwent R 133 lost, 161 survivors included Henry Matson, first mate.
1837 Married Alice Manifold in Launceston, Tasmania.
1838 Bought land in Georgetown Tasmania and  1838 31 Dec bought land in Colac, Victoria, Australia.
1878 H Matson Merchant, Papanui  1881 H Matson gentleman                                  
1885 27/10~Church Index SPP 1 442~ buried Henry Matson, gentleman, Papanui age 71
Probate No 1157 ChCh filed 16 Nov 1885 (will) ChCh Archives"

According to a record I have, there is a christening for Henry at Wingham on the 27th March 1823. Clearly this does not fit with Henry being a ship's officer in 1834 (aged 11?) and marrying in 1837 (aged 14?).
I have a further problem piece of info. The 1851 census shows Henry as aged 28 living at home with his father so birth date could be 1823?
Can anyone confirm the Henry's date of birth please?
As always, many thanks for your help.
MATSON-East Kent.  HURST- Oxfordshire.

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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 November 07 11:52 GMT (UK) »
IGI gives

Henry Matson  02May 1807 Borden Kent s/o Robert & Elizabeth

and

Henry Matson 27 March 1823 Wingham s/o Robert & Elizabeth Mary Matson

both extracted records

the second batch also includes

John Matson 14 Aug 1825 Wingham s/o Robert & Elizabeth Mary Matson

does this help?


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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 November 07 11:54 GMT (UK) »
the fisrt Henry i listed at Borden has the following siblings

ELIZABETH MATSON
JOHN MATSON 
SARAH MATSON 
FRANK MATSON 
EMMA MATSON 
HENRY MATSON  
ALFRED MATSON 
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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 November 07 13:15 GMT (UK) »
IGI gives

Henry Matson  02May 1807 Borden Kent s/o Robert & Elizabeth

and

Henry Matson 27 March 1823 Wingham s/o Robert & Elizabeth Mary Matson

both extracted records

the second batch also includes

John Matson 14 Aug 1825 Wingham s/o Robert & Elizabeth Mary Matson

does this help?




Hi Toni and many thanks for your replies.  There were several Matson families, who I believe are all related, living in East Kent at around this time. With the same names being used in different branches. The family of Robert and Mary Elizabeth (Nee Ashenden) were in Wingham and the family of Robert and Elizabeth (Nee Murton) being in Borden.
The Henry I'm trying to pin down is, I believe, a son of Robert and Mary of Wingham and your IGI date of 27th March 1823 at Wingham confirms the record I had with the minor difference of Elizabeth Mary instead of Mary Elizabeth.
The siblings for the Borden family also confirm my records for them.
So the mystery deepens!
We seem to have confirmed that Henry was either a cabin boy and a very young bridegroom or that Henry could have been the one from Borden. My records have a date of christening for Henry from Borden as 2nd May 1797 which looks suspicious as it's exactly 10 years different to the IGI.
Looks like some more research to confirm Parish source records is the only answer.
I wonder if anyone can help with Borden and Wingham Parishes please?
MATSON-East Kent.  HURST- Oxfordshire.


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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 November 07 13:42 GMT (UK) »
I can help with Borden.

Robert & Elizabeth MATSON had seven children baptised between 1799 & 1811, including Henry 2nd May 1802.

At least that confirms the IGI entry.

There's also MATSONs showing in Marriages & Burials, so do let me know if I can help with anyone else.

Betty
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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 November 07 14:07 GMT (UK) »
I can help with Borden.

Robert & Elizabeth MATSON had seven children baptised between 1799 & 1811, including Henry 2nd May 1802.

At least that confirms the IGI entry.

There's also MATSONs showing in Marriages & Burials, so do let me know if I can help with anyone else.

Betty

Yes please Betty. The mystery is deepening as I have the Borden family with 13 children. The first being Robert (1790-1853) and the last being Emma (1810-?).
So could you let me have the dates for the 7 you have please.
I have the marriage of Robert and Elizabeth Murton as 2nd May 1789 at Bredgar.
I'm a little confused with Henry though. We have 2nd May 1807 in the IGI and you have 1802?
MATSON-East Kent.  HURST- Oxfordshire.

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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 November 07 15:17 GMT (UK) »
"Builder of the cottages, Henry Matson, was born in Kent in1814 and emigrated with his brother to Australia in 1835. Shipwrecked off Tasmania, he settled there working as a harbour master and investing in two stations and a quarry.Many early Melbourne buildings were built of stone from the quarry. Living between Tasmania and Melbourne foralmost 30 years, Matson decided to emigrate to Christchurchin 1862 following the death of his first wife. Here he founded H. Matson and Co, one of the largest stock and station firms at the time. Matson’s offices were in the ....Following Matson’s death in 1885 his second wife Edith and son Conway Matson inherited the estate."

http://archived.ccc.govt.nz/OurEnvironment/31/Winter2002.pdf

If he married for a second time at a later date, doesn't that marriage certificate give details of his parents as would his New Zealand death certificate and with it his exact age? (a New Zealand death certificate might also give his mother's maiden name) The marriage certificate should also give his father's occupation.

"Henry Matson remained in Christchurch. On 24 June 1867, at St. Michael’s, he married a much younger woman, Edith Dearden, settled on a 29 acre estate in Papanui, ‘Delce Farm’ towards the Papanui end of Harewood Road and raised a second family."

This source states "Henry Matson was born at Delce Farm, Wingham, eastern Kent, the son of Robert Matson".

http://library.christchurch.org.nz/Heritage/Cemeteries/Papanui/StPaulsPapanuiCemetery.pdf

Henry Matson the son of Robert Matson baptised Wingham 1823 was living with his father Robert on the 1851 census and married and living with his wife Lucy and three daughters in Wingham in 1861. Still there in 1881 as was Robert who by then was 95.

This is the more likely Henry Matson

MATSON, Henry   
Birth Date:17 Jul 1814   
Christening Date:12 Aug 1814    St Margaret Rochester, Kent
Father Robert MATSON
Mother Elizabeth

MATSON, Robert   
Christening Date:12 Jun 1809   St Margaret Rochester, Kent
Father Robert MATSON
Mother Elizabeth

MATSON, James Moon   
Birth Date:26 Jul 1810   
Christening Date:22 Aug 1810    St Margaret Rochester, Kent
Father Robert MATSON
Mother Elizabeth

MATSON, John   
Birth Date:26 Jan 1812   
Christening Date:3 Mar 1812   St Margaret Rochester, Kent
Father Robert MATSON
Mother Elizabeth

MATSON, George
Birth Date:5th December 1817
Christening Date: 3rd February 1818 St Margaret Rochester, Kent
Father Robert Matson
Mother Elizabeth

ROBERT MATSON
ELIZABETH MOON  
Marriage:  11 AUG 1808   Saint Mary The Virgin, Dover, Kent

1851 census HO107 1610 folio 138?
Upper Delce Maidstone Road Rochester Kent
Robert Matson 65  Head Married Farmer 160? acres employing 11 labourers Swingfield Kent
Elizabeth Matson 63 Wife Married Dover Kent
Robert Matson 41 Son Unmarried Rochester Kent
James M Matson 40 Unmarried Rochester Kent
plus 1 visitor and five servants

The family were still at Upper Delce Farm St Margaret's Rochester in 1861 as they were in 1841. Henry was not present with his parents on the 1841 census.

You can find Henry's actual baptismal entry in St Margaret Rochester's registers here.


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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 November 07 15:32 GMT (UK) »
MATSON.
Herald, 3rd October 1865.
On the 6th July, at Rochester, Kent, England, Robert Matson, in the 80th year of his age.

From
NEW ZEALAND.
1840s to 1980s.
The items on this site are extracted from my Private Collection of New Zealand Newspapers of the

dayhttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~funeralnotices/M*.html

There is a corresponding death registration for Robert Matson in the English civil registration index

Deaths Sep 1865   
Matson  Robert    Medway  2a 225

So somebody in New Zealand must have inserted the notice in a New Zealand newspaper.

This record may or may not have a connection.

East Kent Archives Centre: Dover Harbour Board
Catalogue Ref. DHB
MISCELLANEOUS
Worker's Welfare Committee - ref. DHB/Z5
FILE - List of papers relating to Henry Matson's legacy - ref.  DHB/Z39  - date: 1957

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Re: Henry Matson of Wingham born 1823 or 1814?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 November 07 16:19 GMT (UK) »
I can help with Borden.

Robert & Elizabeth MATSON had seven children baptised between 1799 & 1811, including Henry 2nd May 1802.

At least that confirms the IGI entry.

There's also MATSONs showing in Marriages & Burials, so do let me know if I can help with anyone else.

Betty

Yes please Betty. The mystery is deepening as I have the Borden family with 13 children. The first being Robert (1790-1853) and the last being Emma (1810-?).
So could you let me have the dates for the 7 you have please.
I have the marriage of Robert and Elizabeth Murton as 2nd May 1789 at Bredgar.
I'm a little confused with Henry though. We have 2nd May 1807 in the IGI and you have 1802?


I've written down 1807, & usually double-check with preview & after I post, so a slapped wrist for me!
Henry's baptism was 2nd May 1807

Baptisms of the children of Robert & Elizabeth MATSON

30th May 1799  Elizabeth
26th Jun 1800   John
21st Apr 1802   Alfred
4th Apr 1804    Sarah
2nd May 1807   Henry
8th Jan  1809   Frank **
23rd Feb  1811   Emma


There's also:
18th Aug 1782  Robert  son of William & Mary MATSON 

24th Apr 1805  James Gunsley  son of Edward & Sophia MATSON
27th Apr 1806  Kate Francis  daughter of Edward & Sophia MATSON

That's all the Matson baptisms in Borden. The registers start from 1604, so it looks like the older children of Robert & Elizabeth were baptised elsewhere.

Betty


**Added: I've just found the Burial of a Frank MATSON Infant, 16th Mar 1809.
No mention of the parents names, but could be the same child.
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Bushell - Walmer
Spain - Walmer
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Cohen - Birmingham

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