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Re: Maori History - Help
« Reply #9 on: Friday 16 November 07 08:01 GMT (UK) »
Bren - you are wonderful - you have often helped me, can I email the archives, the lady in question was 48 at the time of her marriage so not certain about intention to marry or permission required, but the archives sound a great place to be able to access - is it free, is it available on email although that sounds too good to be true.
Robin
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Busshe/Bushe/Bush, Le Strange/Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Daylwyn or Deulwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King, Millis, Jarvis, Mellis(s)
Suffolk - Sewell, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Wellman
Worcestershire - Beach
Wales, Bristol, Bermondsey - Maurice, Cromwell, Riley

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Re: Maori History - Help
« Reply #10 on: Friday 16 November 07 20:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Robin

I have just this morning been offered a ride down to Wellington on Wednesday, so if you let me know the exact date, place, and names for the marriage I will check the ITM for you.

Bren.

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Re: Maori History - Help
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 17 November 07 06:15 GMT (UK) »
Bren - so many thanks for your offer - the certificate is mostly in Maori but is decipherable.
She was my children's great grandmother and was the commonlaw wife of Edward Maurice by whom she had several children including my childrens grandmother Constance Maurice about 1926 or 27. Edward Maurice died in 1926.
The printout is for her marriage to a Mr Gage in 1936 and I sent for it because I want to know who her parents were so that I can have a few generations on the Maori line.
She was married under the name of Harihari Rauwharangi on "29 Hurae" and the place is "otuhare??".
Her husbands name which was Gage on the library records is Hori Keeti, she was aged 48 (a birth date of about 1880) and he was 40. Their occupations were him - paamu - and her mahikai? They both appeared to have been widowed.
His place of birth was the Waikato and hers was Tauranga (ironically I live here in Tauranga)
Her parents names are "rauwharangi" for her father which actually sounds okay as he would have been born about 1850/60 so I guess they did not have surnames then. Her mothers name was te Whakaata Tewherowhero.
I do not need Mr Gages details as he is not of interest.
Their denomination was Ringatu.
I do remember my childrens father saying that his grandfather was a tohunga.
What I really want out of this exercise is to gain another generation on my childrens line and also any understanding of who and what they were.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks to all who replied - I will follow up all hints - was working today - its a shame that work interferes with this research.
Robin
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Busshe/Bushe/Bush, Le Strange/Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Daylwyn or Deulwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King, Millis, Jarvis, Mellis(s)
Suffolk - Sewell, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Wellman
Worcestershire - Beach
Wales, Bristol, Bermondsey - Maurice, Cromwell, Riley

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Re: Maori History - Help
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 17 November 07 08:47 GMT (UK) »
Robin

With the help of an on-line Maori Dictionary I have found that Hurae is July, but I can't find a place that matches otuhare.

I'm sorry, but if you can't give me a district name, it would be like looking for a match stick in the Pacific Ocean!  There are 7 volumes for 1936 containing over 4000 pages with up to 10 marriages per page.

Bren.


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Re: Maori History - Help
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 17 November 07 10:07 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought have you thought about taking the print out to the tauranga library in town.  Although I dont live in Tauranga any more I know they had a great family section.  Maybe by asking the staff there to have a look they may be able to figure out where otuhare is??? They may have old maps of the Tauranga area. 

The Ringatu faith was and still is quite a stunch faith.

It was quite common for a child to take their fathers name as their surname.  Hence the reason why Harihari surname is the same name as her fathers.

Another thing of interest is Harihari Rauwharangi mothers name.  With Harihari mothers name being Te Whakaata  Te Wherowher I do wonder if there is some connection to the Maori King Te Wherowhero???  (Not saying that there is) Could be another thing to explore.

I know you not tracing Mr Gage, but the name Hori Keeti translated is George Gage.  Hence the reason for the library records saying Gage but the certificate saying Hori Keeti.

One other suggestions try the Maori Land Courts, give them a call to see if Harihari Rauwharangi, her father or mother had any land passed on to them.  Quite often whakapapa was given when land was passed on.  I found quite a bit of information there, death date of an maori ancestor which lead to a print out of a death certificate and another generation.

Ummmm that's about all I can think of at the moment, give the TGA library's family section in town a go you never know, they may point you in the direction for more information.???

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Re: Maori History - Help
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 17 November 07 18:08 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks to both of you - I will follow through on the library suggestion - it was where I got the Harihari/Gage info, and thanks Bren for your kind thoughts in doing research for me, it would be too much to even think about and I probably will find what I want here.
I have done my own main family history and am now doing the smaller lines such as my childrens other side, even just to have those few generations as far as this is something. I have an Australian granddaughter as one of my sons lives in Cairns and it is nice for her to have some Maori ancestry.
All you good people on Rootschat have helped immensely,
Thanks
Robin
Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Busshe/Bushe/Bush, Le Strange/Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Daylwyn or Deulwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King, Millis, Jarvis, Mellis(s)
Suffolk - Sewell, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk  - Sewell, Larter, Howlett
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Wellman
Worcestershire - Beach
Wales, Bristol, Bermondsey - Maurice, Cromwell, Riley

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Re: Maori History - Help
« Reply #15 on: Monday 16 June 08 10:50 BST (UK) »
kia Ora King
I have in my poccession various Whakapapa or Maori Genelogy from the Tauranga and Bay of Plenty area and would be happy to do a search for you
ka te ano
Tiki Tangiwai

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Re: Maori History - Help
« Reply #16 on: Monday 16 June 08 12:49 BST (UK) »


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Re: Maori History - Help
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 17 June 08 13:25 BST (UK) »
hey there i have a very old map of the tauranga area and the closest to that area name is otahapu. i also have whakapapa of the tauranga and waikato area and will do a search for you. you could also try monty ohia from tauranga or phone the ngati pukenga trustboard in welcome bay.
tangiwai