Completed Can't find any of these in BMD ?

[Ecneps]

Barbara, how did you get the Richardson connection, what made you seek Richardsons on the census?

I didn't, is the short answer. 

The long answer is, when I couldn't find the parents, I looked for the children, first names birthdates and birthplaces only, no surnames.  When I saw those three with right first names etc., living together with grandparents, I looked back to the earlier census and found single Martha.  Hey presto!  I quite often do searches without surnames, in case they've been transcribed or indexed badly, so it works out quite well for changes of surname too.

Good luck with the rest of your searching, let us know if you need further help
Barbara   

[Ecneps]

I think the RICHARDSON daughter "Margt 28" in 1851 was the same person as "Martha 18" in 1841, so was still with her parents at that point.

I had wondered about that too, Geoff, and double-checked the image to make sure, it's definitely Margt. on the 1851 census page, but possibly the enumerator got it wrong - not unheard of  and there's no Margaret in 1841.

Barbara

[gerryfitz]

Yes, Geoff, you are right, I am presuming too much.

I found Henry, Margaret, Martha Jnr, and Thomas (together with their parents) in the 1861 census with the surname of Bell, at a farm called Hacen Bags, Petteril Crooks, and have assumed they were 'always' called Bell.

Maybe Robert Bell took pity on Martha and 'took in' all her kids when they married and he was only actually the natural father of William.born in 1862?

I think I will try the Parish Registers at Carlisle to see if any father is mentioned for the early children of Martha, and then maybe try some birth certs., but make sure there is a father mentioned before I buy.

I feel that you have at least put me on the right track.

Once again, many thanks.

Gerry

[GeoffE]

I found Henry, Margaret, Martha Jnr, and Thomas (together with their parents) in the 1861 census with the surname of Bell, at a farm called Hacen Bags, Petteril Crooks, and have assumed they were 'always' called Bell.

The farm - or its house - appears to still exist - Hackingbag - map http://tinyurl.com/222cgn and still next door to Howfield.

[gerryfitz]

Thank you,

Have I missed something again?

Why still next door to Howfield?

I have not come across any connection with Howfield that I know of, nor is it mentioned in any of these posts?

[GeoffE]

Why still next door to Howfield?

I have not come across any connection with Howfield that I know of, nor is it mentioned in any of these posts?

Nothing particular - just that it was next door to Hacen Bags in 1861 census.

[williamro]

I found your query on the web and wonder if you found the answer.  I have found in the family bible a note that Martha Beswick born on 24 Aug 1817 married Robert Bell born on 8 Sept 1815 on 17 July 1846.

R Bell died on 24 March 1856.

I have various other dates for members of Beswick family born between 1777 and 1824 but am trying to find info on Martha Beswick who in Dec 1876 married Robert Hind probably in Carlisle and then died probably in West Meon, Hampshire on 21-3-1927.

I also have early dates from 1757 for the Hind family.

Which of these surnames interest you?

I hope this helps.