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Re: WW1 query
« Reply #9 on: Monday 12 November 07 09:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sylvia

It is a pity you recognise these medals, as the National Archives medal index cards have no record of him receiving any WW1 medals. Some men do have more than one MIC card, so there is an outside chance that there was another for the medals, and it has been lost. But I doubt that. More likely is that he only received the SWB for WW1.

As per the link I sent you, as it is a “Design 3” card the dates are his date of enlistment and discharge for WW1. Any medals he received are probably from his first period of service.

If you do not get a RE and/or SWB expert on this Forum within the next few days I suggest you post the attachment on http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php? You can save a copy by right clicking and using "Save Picture As..."

There you can ask:

= the meaning for discharge of “Para 2d S” under AO 265/17
= what 281 AT company did
= confirmation that “ List RE 1740” is a SWB roll

As there was a break in service he would have had a different number the first time around, if you do get someone to search WO97 for you. They will also need his place and year of birth.

Ken


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Re: WW1 query
« Reply #10 on: Monday 12 November 07 12:05 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Ken, i have had a look around that forum before, but never had the need to join before now.

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Re: WW1 query
« Reply #11 on: Monday 12 November 07 12:52 GMT (UK) »
Does appear to be just the SWB

Army Order 265/17 paragraph 2d is as follows, relevant part highlighted.
I'd hazard a guess that the "S" is sickness

2. Under the amended conditions the badge will, subject in every case to the approval of the Army Council, be issued only to the individuals specified below, who have served with the military forces subsequent to the 4th August, 1914:
(a) Those who, having served as officers and being still of military age, have retired, resigned or relinquished their commissions:
(i) After service overseas in the armed Forces of the Crown, on account of disablement or ill-health caused otherwise than by misconduct,
(ii) After service at Home, and have been medically examined and finally discharged from liability to further military service under sub-section (5) of Section 1 of the Military Service (Review of Exception) Act, 1917, as permanently and totally disabled, otherwise than from misconduct.
(b.) Those who, having served as soldiers and being still of military age, have been discharged under the conditions set forth at (i) and (ii) in (a).
(c.) Those who, having served as officers and being now over military age, have retired, resigned or relinquished their commissions.
(d) Those who, have served as soldiers and being now over military age, have been discharged otherwise than for misconduct.
(e) Civilians who have served with the Royal Army Medical Corps under a fixed agreement for a period of service, or who have been employed with the army overseas (provided such employment received official sanction), who have resigned their military employment on account of wounds or sickness, and who, if of military age, have received a final discharge under sub-section (5) of section 1 of the said Act.
(f) Nurses and members of Voluntary Aid Detachments who have been discharged on account of old age, wounds, or sickness, such as would render them permanently unfit for further service.
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Re: WW1 query
« Reply #12 on: Monday 12 November 07 14:12 GMT (UK) »
281 AT Coy= 281 Army Troops Company Royal Engineers.They concentrated on bridge building and water supply to forward troops.

Are you 100% that this is his number and card theres a couple of other John W Tomlinson RE Medal cards.
Lowe(Lower Gornall-Castleford)
Blackburn (Castleford)
Sidwell(Ledsham)
Fairburn(Hartshead)
Wood(Liversedge)
Tallon (Whittington Lancs/Hartshead West Yorkshire)

Researching all Great War soldiers from the Spen Valley of West Yorkshire Especially lads from the Cleckheaton Company of 1/4th West Riding Regiment.


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Re: WW1 query
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 14 November 07 06:05 GMT (UK) »
Not sure what happened to my post from yesterday, so here goes again.

Oh heck, i have looked at TNA again and found the others, how do i know i have the right one.

We know he was on the 1901 census living with his family in Chatham. He was a Sapper
in the Royal Engineers, He would have been 50 in 1914, which made me think he would have been too old for the war unless he was a regular soldier.

He was back in Derby by 1935, were he had a child with and married his neice in 1936 as a widower and he was a news vender.

Thank you to all that have tried to help with this.

Sylvia

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Re: WW1 query
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 03 January 08 17:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sylvia

RE/1740 is a Silver War badge reference (its actually a page number in a SWB volume) With this reference you will be able to see his entry in the SWB list and one thing it will tell you is how old the man was at time of discharge (as well as cause of discharge).
Unless you can get to Kew yourself, best to get a researcher to look up the reference for you.
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Andrew