Any suggestions appreciated! **COMPLETED**

[Fern123]

Hi Bren..
Looked through my records seems maybe Adelaide Emily Astley Birth was not registered as there was a Constance - she married William John Carrington in 1908, witnesses at wedding were his two brothers James Henry & John Harold, Adelaide married James Henry in 1910
Fern

[DotBrennan]

Hi Fern

Where did Adelaide's marriage take place?

You still haven't said where the marriage took place

Hi Bren..
Looked through my records seems maybe Adelaide Emily Astley Birth was not registered as there was a Constance - she married William John Carrington in 1908, witnesses at wedding were his two brothers James Henry & John Harold, Adelaide married James Henry in 1910
Fern

I take it the parents for Adelaide were Richard & Emily....??

Just a thought, why not add Adeliade's marriage to your ITM lookup request....

Bren.

Perhaps, all the more reason to do this....

Do you know when or what ship Emily FLEMING arrived on?
Or Richard ASTLEY?

It's physically possible that all those births (except Eric Henry) are the children of Richard & Emily....

Some time back I had some basic reasearch done (free) by one of the staff at Archives, but unfortunately I have changed PC since then, so don't know who I contacted.
You could try a general "how do I find" question to here:
info@archives.govt.nz

It may be that they will be able to give you the specific file ref for your Coroners report, but then you will either have to pay them to photocopy it OR post another lookup request once you have this info.....


Bren

[Fern123]

Hi Bren,
Adelaide Emily Astley married James Henry Carrington 9 March 1910 Registry Office Wellington, her parents are listed as Richard Astley & Emily Astley nee Fleming
Im trying to get more information on Richard & Emily life in NZ, I have loads of information way back on Richard but cant seem to get a start on Emily.  Emily's parents on her marriage certificate were listed as Joseph Fleming a Sawyer and Emily Fleming nee (not clear) Lovett or maybe Lovell. Emily was born at Belfast NZ. The witnesses at the wedding were Joseph Alexander Fleming of Auckland Engineer who i believe to be Emily's brother, and a Martha Jane Fleming who may possibly be Emilys sister. I found Joseph Alexander Fleming on 1893 Electoral Roll he married a Lilian Reece Clarke in 1885 - ( I think he may have gone by the name Alexander) she divorced him for desertion in 1905) not sure how long you had to have absconded for before you could get divorce for desertion.. 
No I do not know what ship either Richard or Emily arrived on
Richard & Emily were married 1883 Baptist Chapel Wellesley st Auckland. I have searched lots of passenger lists
 
Regards Fern

[Bonnie66]

Hi Fern

This may not help you but the Astley Family in West Auckland are into the Tannery Business and still have an interest in it, I used to deal with them, could this be a relation I will try and find the address for you but it is known as Astley Tannery. MAy not be the same family but might be worth a go.

Dyan

[Fern123]

Thanks Dyan, to be perfectly honest Ive got no idea! I really have no idea why Richard Disney Lancaster Astley came out to NZ from England, where his forebears were well established, a couple of his brothers went to Canada etc and ive traced the family way back & got stackloads of info on them but its the NZ stuff that im a bit stuck on. Tonight though i was looking through a NZSG cd on marriages and i stumbled across an Edward D'O Astley marriage around the time Richard would have arrived which makes me wonder if the D'O stands for D'Oyley as if it does it is maybe a cousin or uncle or something as Richards grandmothers maiden name was D'Oyley and it was a name passed down in generations etc, but then I cant find any other sign of him wasnt on 1893 electoral roll and no cemetery records.. maybe he went back and of course it may be a longshot but I just thought maybe Richard had relations here, maybe the Tannery ones you speak of might be them!
Dont go out of your way, but if you stumble across something I would appreciate it
Regards
Fern

[DotBrennan]

Hi Fern

When I read this in your first posting “..so born around 1862 in Belfast NZ.”, my brain registered “Belfast NI”.  sorry…

So I’ve been back to the library to look for a birth for Emily Hannah.

Emily (or Hannah) FLEMING Births 1855 - 1873      
Year   Name(s)   Ref. #   District
1857   Emily   185   Christchurch
1867   Emily Catherine Moleneux   247   Drury
1867   Emily Jane   732   Christchurch

The 1867 birth would fit with the age on the burial record at Waikumete and a death in 1900, but not the name…

This family certainly seems to be leading you a merry dance with dates and names…

Bren.

[Fern123]

Hi Bren
You are a sweetie, you really are. Yes the names and dates are giving me the pip, but hey would be boring if everything was plain sailing LOL .. I phoned NZ BDM this morning and ordered that death print out you suggested .. also I found another Hannah Astley died 1946 aged 84 which indicates born 1862 - however thats a long shot but might just be some connection anyway of that vintage, I say its a long shot because on the Archway it said she was a spinster but i thought maybe they made a typo! They take about 10 days to get here so will be waiting impatiently.
Looking at those Births you found .. I would tend to go for the plain Emily .. I will keep looking at various websites something may pop up in meantime, will let you know about certificates when they ariive
thanks so much
Fern

[DotBrennan]

Hi Fern

It wouldn't be the same without all the frustration and head-banging would it?
Yes I had seen that Hannah ASTLEY, Spinster, probate too.

Just as a matter of interest, how old was Richard when they married in 1883?

Bren.

[Fern123]

Hi Bren..
Richard said on marriage certificate that he was 30 in actual fact he had just turned 34.......... history of compulsive liars you reckon? LOL
Fern