Any suggestions appreciated! **COMPLETED**

[Fern123]

Researching hubby's family in NZ have a marriage Richard Disney Lancaster ASTLEY to Emily Hannah FLEMING 1883 - she was reportedly 21 so born around 1862 in Belfast NZ
Richard accidentally drowned 27 Nov 1894, Waiheke NZ, found information in Paperspast about the accident and have just got his death certificate - said issue was 2 males, age 10 years and 4 weeks, 3 females 8,7 & 1 - Eldest male would have been Richard Crampton Astley, middle daughter was Adelaide Emily Astley not sure who the others were at this stage.
Richard D L Astley was buried at Waikumete and Im trying to find what happened to his wife Emily Hannah Fleming. I have found an Emily Hannah Mabel Astley buried also at Waikumete however it doesnt show year of death just says 33 yrs, I phoned the cemetery in NZ and their records dont show any year of burial either. I estimated if that was her and if it is correct she was 21 when married then year of death would be about 1895. NZ BDM registrar searched years 1895 - 1897 but nothing, any suggestions on how I could find a year would be appreciated.
Also on Richards death certificate under cause of death it says Verdict by Jury Accidentally drowned and the informant is a Coroner. I searched the Archway on Archives but couldnt find anything like a coroners report any suggestions where i might look for coroners report or a jury's verdict?
If Emily did die that early im wondering also what happened to the children. Again any advice appreciated
thanks
Fern

[DotBrennan]

Hi Fern 

A couple of things:
Did the death cert state that Richard was “married” or “widower”?
ie. was Emily still alive?

Request an ITM lookup for the 1883 marriage as it sometimes has different/other information to the marriage entry.

These are probable marriages for the 2 children you mentioned:
1910 Folio 0961
Adelaide Emily ASTLEY
James Henry CARRINGTON

1920 Folio 2232
Richard Crampton ASTLEY
Edith DAWES

Can’t see a re-marriage for Emily Hannah ASTLEY

Might be worthwhile getting a marriage printout for Adelaide.

Bren.

[Fern123]

Hi Bren
It says where married and age and to whom so I assume she is alive and as one of the issue was only 4 weeks old she was alive a month before.
Thanks for the ITM tip I will do that. I have got the marriage of Adelaide Emily Astley to Carrington, that is line hubby descends from, and yes also to Richard Crampton Astley marriage. I also looked for a marriage again for Emily Hannah Astley but to no avail. I cant help but feel that this Emily Hannah Mabel Astley buried in Waikumete is something to do with puzzle but unfortunately only thing there is age 33 and no burial year
Regards
Fern

[DotBrennan]

Hi Fern

I was thinking perhaps she might have died in childbirth?
What about checking Papers past for the last birth and a death notice around the same time?

Where did Adelaide's marriage take place?
Who were the witnesses?
What a shame she was over 21 as the ITM would have shown who gave permission for her to marry.......

Will keep pondering..

Bren.

[DotBrennan]

Just a thought, why not add Adeliade's marriage to your ITM lookup request....

Bren.

[Mk2_Zephyr]

I will have a look for you Fern, Waikumete is my backyard.

[Fern123]

Oh what a kind offer, Im in Aussie so makes it a bit difficult.. I did phone the Waikumete Cemetery though and like the NZSG Burial CD they didnt have a date of burial either so Im picking its an old grave. The lady I spoke to at Waikumete said she would take a walk up to that part of the cemetery as there was a lot of old gravestones and that she would email me and let me know but I never heard back from her so I dont know if she ever had the time to do that. Richard was drowned accidentally at 42 and left Emily with 5 young children so Im picking there was no money for gravestones, however Richard did come from a very well to do family in the UK maybe they sent $$ but then again maybe thats why he came to NZ maybe he was the Black Sheep lol - I did find a newsclip in Papers Past about the boating accident and it said "The deceased leaves a wife and family in poor circumstances"
Thanks for your offer anyway, there is no rush
Kind regards
Fern

[DotBrennan]

Hi Fern

Astley Births 1883 - 1894
Year   Name(s)   Ref. #   Qtr   District
1883   Mary Ella   3308   Dec   Whangarei
1884   Richard Crampton   2309   Sep   Auckland
1887   Margaret Constance   3442   Dec   Auckland
1889   Mary   1202   Jun   Auckland
1890   Willoughby John   2179   Sep   Auckland
1891   Gladys Cicely Annie   1116   Jun   Auckland
1892   Annie   2239   Sep   Auckland
1892   Charles   2239   Sep   Auckland
1893   Alice   3318   Dec   Auckland
1894   Eric Henry   2230   Sep   Auckland
1894   William Philip Sidney   3435   Dec   Auckland


Astley Deaths 1883-1910         
1889   Mary   1047   Sep   Auckland
1892   Annie   1696   Dec   Auckland
1892   Charles   1697   Dec   Auckland
1892   Willoughby John   20   Mar   Auckland
1894   Richard Disney   1814   Dec   Auckland
1900   Emily Hannah Isabel   702   Jun   Auckland
1904   Cicely   1416   Sep   Auckland
1906   Olgah   8   Mar   Auckland
1908   Charles   908   Jun   Rotorua
1909   Emily Alice   469   Mar   Grey

I didn’t find a birth for Adelaide Emily.  Was she registered as Margaret Constance??….

If we rule out the Mary Ella, b. Whangarei, then the 3 girls still alive as @ 1894 could be:
Margaret Constance, Gladys Cicely Annie, & Alice
and the 2 boys:
Richard Crampton & William Philip Sidney
the ages/dob don’t fit, but the info on the death cert probably passed through several hands before being recorded.

The 1900 death looks like it is the mother.  Its is quite possible that she “increased” her age at marriage so she didn’t have to get consent as a minor.

I couldn’t find a marriage for a Margaret, but there is a marriage for a Constance in 1908 to William John CARRINGTON.

With regards to the Coroners Verdicts, I think you first have to order/check the index to then get the file number for the individual record you require.

Bren.

[Fern123]

Crikey Bren!! you are a champ thanks so much for doing that..  I will send for that death certificate 1900 Emily Hannah Isabel that does look positive.    The Willoughby John born 1890 and died 1892 would be one of theirs as thats an old family name. Im confused now about this Margaret Constance..... i had thought that Adelaide had a sister Constance and that the two sisters married two brothers.. i will have to delve into this a bit further me thinks.  Adelaide Emily did have a daughter with Constance in the name it was very common in family.
Thanks for the tip on Coroners verdicts.. I couldnt see anything on the archway I will look further
I really appreciate this, will order that Death certificate monday and see how I go!
Regards
Fern