SNELSON/POWELL Families - for kathwc

[JDGen]

Could you help me look up this family:
HANNAH SNELSON   was born 1796 in Cheshire, England, and died 1857 in Moundsville, WI USA.      She married JOHN POWELL 16 Jun 1823 in Tarvin, Duddon, Cheshire. 

Children of HANNAH SNELSON and JOHN POWELL are:
   ii.   HANNAH3 POWELL, b. 1828, Liverpool England; d. Dec 1902, USA.
   iii.   JOHN POWELL, b. 1826, Lancashire, England; d. Wisconsin, USA.
   iv.   SUSANNA POWELL, b. 1831, Lancashire, England; d. USA.
   v.   SAMUEL POWELL, b. 1827, Chester, Cheshire England.
   vi.   JAMES POWELL, b. 1826, Cheshire.
   vii.   WILLIAM POWELL.
   viii.   THOMAS POWELL, b. 13 Jan 1837, Duddon, Tarvin, Cheshire, England.
   ix.   MARY ELIZABETH POWELL, b. 1824, Chester, Cheshire England; d. Missouri.

Hannah's parents were:
.  SAMUEL1 SNELSON1 was born 1769 in Tarvin, Duddon, Cheshire, and died 25 Jul 1835 in Duddon, Tarvin, Cheshire, England.  He married MARY ANDERTON 13 Dec 1793 in Bunbury, Tarporley, Cheshire, England.  She was born 1770 in Bunbury, Tarporley, Cheshire, England.
   
Children of SAMUEL SNELSON and MARY ANDERTON are:
   i.   HANNAH2 SNELSON, b. 1796, Cheshire, England; d. 1857, Moundsville, WI USA.
   ii.   MARY SNELSON, b. 1795, Tarvin, Cheshire, England; d. 23 Jan 1865, Tarvin, Duddon, Chester.
   iii.   JOHN SNELSON, b. Abt. 1806, Tarvin, Duddon, Cheshire.
   iv.   SAMUEL SNELSON, b. 1802, Tarvin, Duddon, Cheshire.

Hannah also had a illegitmate child Thomas b1813, I have the parish record of his christening.

i would be grateful for help as I have hit a brick wall with this family.

Reposting this on the general board from the pre 1837 marriage thread.

I think I have the family in 1841, HO107 520/5/47 Page 12 at Walton on the Hill, Lancashire:
John POWELL, 44, Cowkeeper, N (Not born in County)
Hannah POWELL, 45, N
Mary POWELL, 17, N
John POWELL, 15, N
Susan POWELL, 10, Y (born in County)
Thomas SNELSON, 3, Y

Jean

[JDGen]

Hi again Kathwc,

It looks as if Samuel Snelson left a will.  If you go to:

http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Recordoffice/Wills/

and search for Samuel Snelson 1835 you will see the entry.  You can order a photocopy online from Cheshire Records Office which may give you some more information on Hannah and her parents.

Jean

[JDGen]

Dear JDGed,
I would like to know when  John came from., his parents and on any info on Hannah's parents, Samuel and Mary, especially their parents.
Regards
Kathwc

Hi kathwc,

The 1841 census shows that John POWELL wasn't born in Lancashire, but unfortunately that doesn't help us very much!  The marriage index I have doesn't have any further information to indicate if he was from the same parish as Hannah, but Cheshire Records Office may do a lookup for you and provide the details of the marriage - the witnesses may be of some help and there may be more information to indicate if John was local or not.  They will also provide a photocopy of the parish register entry for a small fee.

Hope this helps,

Jean

[kathwc]

Dear Jean,
Thank you for the Cheshire Wills info, I have ordered the will.  Having hired a genealogist to find info on this family, I am dissappointed that she has come up with this.   I have John and Hannah's marriage entry from the Parish records but it isn't much help. Never mind, let's see what the will has on it.  I have the the Cheshire wills up to 1700 on CD.  I will let you know.  Again thanks

[JDGen]

Hi Kathwc,

What does the marriage entry say?  Were they both of the parish, was the marriage by banns, who were the witnesses, what were the occupations given?  You never know, there may be a clue somewhere....

Would love to hear the outcome when you receive the will!

Jean

[kathwc]

  Well JDGen,
I sent off for Samuel Snelsons will and discovered he was married twice.  First wife was Mary Atherton as stated, number 2 wife was Ann Astle, sister of Ralph Astle.  (I sent off for his will as well and this verified Samuel's and Ann's marriage.

Ann Astle has been linked up incorrectly in other family trees as being the wife of the son of Samuel Snelson (from Samuel's marriage to Mary).  Needless to say an interesting find.  However one thing leads to another.

Samuel and Ann had two children, Martha and George.  Martha married someone with the surname Moore, then a Thomas Williams, they lived mostly in Shropshire.  George married an lady called Ann Parsonage in 1845.  In 1851, Ann was staying with her Uncle John, taking one year old Mary Snelson with her.  George is staying with Martha and their family with his 5 year old son Samuel.  Ann remains in Cheshire with her family and according to the 1861 census she states she is a widow.  However, I can find no record of George's death, but he appears on the 1861 married?  to a Eliza and they have children. 

He should have inherited his father's farmland on the death of his mother.  And until 1851 he has his occupation as a farmer, but by 1861 he is working for the railway.   The  census records show he gave conflicting places of birth, but the 1871 census gives his birth place as Tarvin, Cheshire.

I have someone who is going to look up parish records for me and I have sent of for some Birth and marriage records for George's family.  Do I have a bigamist in the family.  Apparantly quite a common occurence as peolpe didn't get divorces those days.

I will let you all know how this pans out.

Regards
Kath

[JDGen]

Hi Kath,

Well, how interesting!    Some wills have more information than others, it sounds as if those have been really useful for you!  Just in case you haven't already got it:

Ann ASTLE m Samuel SNELSON 24 May 1818 Tarvin St Andrew

There's a marriage of a Martha SNELSON to Charles MOORE, baker 13 Jan 1835 at Chester St John - she would be quite young though.

How exciting, do let me know what happens....

Jean

[JDGen]

Just realised that the Martha SNELSON/MOORE marriage is on the Cheshire Parish Register project, http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/ but not much more information and the witnesses aren't alot of help - it says she was resident in Chester so it might rule her out....

Jean