Dee's Scavenger Hunt Part 2 (Everybody welcome to join in)

[jc26red]

maybe right in your own backyard!   

[deeiluka]

She could have come out to her Uncle Francois I suppose and then when he died or left the Hotel, gone on to Canada..... 

.....dee

[jc26red]

I think you're now at the same stage I'm at with my Creeds, trying to find out where they originated before moving  - for me Ireland - for you England. It really is difficult when you get to this point.

Do any of the marriage witness for Hugh/Francois/Joseph etc give any clues

Also if Hugh was a Perfumer, wouldn't he have had to study apocathary? there's a Guild in London and he would have taken an exam etc... unless he studied in Ireland  

[deeiluka]

No mention of Charlotte Elizabeth Bauer in Victorian databases...... 

Yes....this family is nearly as far as I can go without taking them to the "extremely hard" section. 

Hugh Bauer was already working in the perfume business in 1841
HO107/736/10/8/9

He is listed as perfumer at age 17 but suspect he was an apprentice for the family he was living with.

This family has made it hard....none of the 3 older sons have ever been living with their father in a census.....the other two were at boarding school in 1841, as was sister Louisa!

Although father Joseph was always given as a cook, he must have had some money. He was a French refugee ....found a little newspaer article listing surnames of Franch refugees, and there were no other Bauers born Farnce in the censuses for that time, so it must have been Joseph.

Canadian family oral history says that he had been a chef in the French Royal Court......

.....dee

[deeiluka]

Have spent the day entering all the new information into my Hugh Bauer database. I noticed that one of Hugh's grandchildren was named Isabel. Was this a coincidence, or was she named after Isabella Bauer, mother of Francois, Louisa, and probably Joseph and Hugh? 

I wonder...... 
Just another additional bit of circumstantial evidence....   

.....dee

[jc26red]

Mornign Dee...

Yes I did notice that... hoping you would pick up on it!    As all these bits of circumstantial evidence grows it  does seem to add weight wiht that they could all be from the same family. 

Though, saying that - Isabel may be a name passed down the RICHARDS line, didn't he come from Oldham?  Isabel was/is more popular the further north you get in England. I've noticed it occurs in all my northern lines but not once in my southern lines.

Jenny

[deeiluka]

These are the bits of circumstantial evidence we now have......

Hugh's father was named Joseph Bauer, a cook! And was supposed to be from France.
So was the father of my gg-grandfather Francois.....and he definitely was from France.
(Joseph Bauers are not thick on the ground in England during the 1841 or 1851 censuses.)

Hugh was a partner in the firm Osborne, Bauer and Cheeseman.

My grandfather often spoke of his family having a connection with that firm.

Recently I had a phone call from a grandson of my grandfather's brother. I have never spoken to him before. During our conversation he was telling me the only things he could remember his grandfather telling him. One was that the family was connected to the company Osborne, Bauer and Cheeseman. (I had not mentioned it.)

The photo similarities between the Australian Bauers and the Canadian Bauers.

My great great grandfather Francois named one of his son's Hugo. He also had a son Frederick who died in 1860, and Hugh named his third son Frederick in 1868.

Francois had a sister Louisa, and that name , together with a derirative of his mother's name Isabella, is used by the families.

Oh ....to find out the name of Hugh's mother....but Belfast, Ireland?      

Never mind....I am absolutely thrilled with what this Scavenger Hunt has revealed, and cannot find enough words to thank everyone who has helped.     

......dee

[jc26red]

  Hugh was born before registration in Ireland so that would be really difficult without a parish.
The only thing you have so far is he was a perfumer and Methodist in Belfast, that would narrow the search. Thats one to think about...
Trade directories might help, look for Perfumers over there

Jenny

[deeiluka]

Hugh was in England by 1841, aged 17....so would he have been apprenticed in Ireland before arriving in England?

And if his father was from France, maybe he was sent back to France to start to learn the trade.....

However, every avenue is worth trying......   

......dee