HI Jane, I have searched familysearch.org nothing there except birth of my
grandfather james william born 1845, I also went to L.D.S church in my area but found nothing, in 1881 census which I think is my henry I found there is a second marriage, it states Henry is a bootmaker and the wife is Eliza 61, Minnie 10,Harry 8, stepson William Palmer 20, stepdau Amelia Palmer 16,.many thanks Lucaduca. quote author=Jane Manley link=topic=266140.msg1509903#msg1509903 date=1194212800]
looked at 1841
living St Martin Birmingham
Amelia is 1 month old so b 1841
1851 l Berkhampstead
same place of birth for all children.
But Annie = Ellen ?
still cant find them on Fbmd
jane