John Hall & Mary Williamson

[Ceeoh]

I am looking for any data on John Hall and Mary Williamson, my g-g-grandparents.

John I know nothing about at all.

Mary was born Mary Williamson c1780 Witton-le-Wear, Co. Durham.

I know they had about 13 children (I have their names).

Their first (known) child was John born/bap 19 August 1804.

Their 6th child was my g-grandmother Margaret Hall who married John Porteous in 1816.

By March 1808 they were living in Northallerton, North Yorkshire (John may even have been from there - not known) where the 3rd child Elizabeth was born.

John and Mary are a mystery to me other than Mary's date and birth place which were possibly picked up from a census return (date?).

Any help would be most appreciated.

Ceeoh

[Daisypetal]

Hi,


Pallot's Marriage Index has,

Mary WILLIAMSON  s.
John HALL  b.
1804 feb
Northallerton


Regards
Daisy

[Ceeoh]

Thanks Daisy - I did not have the marriage info.

I have found a possible birth for Mary baptised 20 March 1785, Witton Le Wear, father John Williamson and mother Ann.  (From IGI)

Also IGI a possible birth for her father John ab1755 of Witton Le Wear, death 4 Oct 1788, and spouse Mrs Ann Williamson, marriage about 1779, Durham.  The dates fit, it's a start so I need to check it.

Many thanks for adding to the tree.

Regards

Ceeoh

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

I wonder if there's been some confusion about Mary's birthplace? I can't find any reference to her being born Witton-Le-Wear but I have found this family in 1851,


1851  HO107/2383  f.11  p.15 & f.12  p.16  Long Newton, Durham
Pile Sheds

George MOSES           Head  Mar  45  Pile Maker em 8 Labs    Durham Witton Le Wear
Elizabeth MOSES         Wife  Mar  43   Pile Makers wife     Yorkshire Northallerton
Christopher  "  "           Son     U  20   Shoe Maker                "  "          "  "
MaryAnn PORTOWS?   Niece         10                                   "  "          "  "
next page
Mary HALL      Mother-in-law    W  71                                Yorkshire Birkby
George BELL  Brother-in-law  Mar}_visitors24  Steam Boat Man  "  "    ellenbeck?
Margt    "  "     Sister-in-law  Mar}        24  Wife to the Above  "  "    Northallerton
John PORTOWS?    Nephew            2                                  "  "    Helperby



I can see the 13 children of John and Mary HALL on Pallot's Baptism Index and there is an Elizabeth b.1808 and a Margt b.1827,

Pallot's Marriage Index has,

Geo MOSES  b.  (of Hamsterby?)
Elizth HALL   s.
Jan 1828
Northallerton 


Long Newton and Middlesbrough were in the Stockton registration district and I found this marriage,

Margaret HALL  Dec Q 1846  Stockton  v.24  p.234
George BELL with same details.

or from the IGI,
 
George BELL
Father:  Christopher BELL 
Spouse: Margret HALL
Marriage:  26 OCT 1846   Middlesbrough, Yorkshire


Which all fits nicely except you say Margaret married John PORTEOUS (did you mean in 1861?) Could it have been her second marriage?


Regards
Daisy

[Ceeoh]

Hi Daisy, very many thanks for the extra data.  Sorry I made a boo boo about Margaret Hall, it was Jane Hall who was my g-grandmother (married to John Porteous).  The niece and nephew Mary Ann Portows and John Portows on the census were Jane's children.  Jane died of cholera at age only 32 years.

(I did have a g-grandmother Margaret Hall on my mom's side of the family!)

I definitely have Mary as born Witton-Le-Wear but as I have done no research on this family for a number of years I do not know where it came from.

Would the marriage register be likely to have her birth place on?  If she was from Co Durham but married in Northallerton it rather looks as if she could have been in service there.

I'll check the IGI for a birth Mary Williamson, Yorkshire.

Thanks again for your help.

Regards

Ceeoh

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

I don't think the parish register would show her place of birth, if anything I think it would show the parish she was living in at the time of the marriage.

I think can see her in 1841 born Yorkshire with son William  HO107/1233/13  f.7  p.6 and in 1861 born Birkby, Yorkshire still with the MOSES RG9/3654  f.83  p.20. Let me know if you need both/either of these transcribed


Looking at the IGI batch nummbers page here,

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyYorkshire_(A-D).htm#B

Birkby by Northallerton only has the following on the IGI,

C105611  1813-1832     M105611  1813-1832   

so it may be worth asking for a look up. I found this page about Birkby at Genuki,

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Birkby/index.html

it looks like the parish registers are at NYRO.


Hope this helps,
Daisy

[Ceeoh]

Hi Daisy

Many thanks - I'm sure you are correct and I have been following the wrong Mary - the one born in Birkby N Yorks is, I think, most likely to be correct.  (I see it is very close to Northallerton)

I have received some info from Ecneps on the North Yorks page, and when I have digested all you have both sent me and reorganised, I will re post.

Very many thanks to you both for getting me on to the correct trail.

Regards
Margaretl

[Ecneps]

Just linking these two threads to save duplication:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,266369.msg1513384.html#msg1513384

Barbara

[Ceeoh]

Hi Daisy

I would like to accept your offer of the two census transcription - they would be most appreciated.

Mary Hall and William  HO107/1233/13 f7 p6 1841

Mary Hall with Moses family  RG9/3654 f83 p20 1861

All this is bringing together a family that was scattered after the death of their mother Jane in 1849.

Many thanks
Margaret