Location of "George Inn Yard", Clarborough in 1870/1, or before...

[Keith Sherwood]

Diddydi,
Well, you have been busy while I've been down in Islington all day long.  Just got back after 16 hours out of the house to discover that you'd trekked to the Churchyard to search for those graves, and have now found that Jane FELLS/RILEY did indeed die in the Workhouse.
If I'd have been a celebrity and had an episode dedicated to me, on WDYTYA  I expect some local historians would have been on the trail trying to discover how it was that Jane ended up dying in a workhouse when at one time she had been married to a man who was apparently doing quite well for himself...
Thanks so much for all your excellent sleuthing,
keith

[Oggie]

Hi Keith,
             A bit of googling revealed an address of the Inn.
Fanny Marsh: born 19 Nov 1891 George Inn yard 59 Moorgate,East Retford.
                              Hope this helps,
                                      Mark.

[Keith Sherwood]

Mark,
Thank you so much for turning that up for me, the plot thickens! Does this make any further sense, Diddydi...?
keith

[Gesaelig]

Hello,
Your chat came up in the search results when I wanted more info about my ancestor Jane RILEY. I've just bought a copy of her 1859 marriage certificate (to Mr FELLS), as there doesn't seem to be any hope of finding evidence of her first marriage.
I now know her father's name was William SEAMAN. This is progress after trying to find out about Jane born in Ireland in 1808!

In the 1841 census I have two branches of family, my maternal grandmother's grandmothers (RILEY & HAGUE) & their children on opposite corners of the same page. Two of those women later died in Retford Union workhouse, I must come from very uncaring stock.

Berry Daines

[Keith Sherwood]

Hi, Berry, and welcome to Rootschat!
About two and a half years since this thread was vibrating with life, so I need to go away and look at my notes and refresh my knowledge on this branch of my family...
But it does look as though we are related, so that's of course very exciting.  Will be in touch again very soon, and it may well be, that as this thread is alive again, since it became quiet there may be other people out there who have become involved with Rootschat since November 2007 and who might be able  to add to our knowledge about workhouses and life in general in this part of the world in the 1880's.
Very best wishes, keith

[Keith Sherwood]

Hi again, Berry,
I wonder whether you could tell me where Jane RILEY (nee SEAMAN) was in the 1841 Census.  The only person vaguely fitting her profile I could find was in Westminster, with a man called Edward RILEY, who was the same age as her, and could have been her husband.  I notice that in the 1851 and 1861 Censuses in Nottinghamshire she has a son called Edward living with her...
Regards, keith

[Gesaelig]

Hello again,
Yes, we are related by marriage, their wedding was 5 days before Christmas so hopefully a jolly time. I've noticed some of my Notts folk seemed fond of marrying their siblings-in-law, so we may find other people in common!
 
The Rileys lived in Clarborough, East Retford. Another researcher (Diane? I can't find her now) had a copy of my great-grandmother Mary Ann's marriage cert from 1857 with the bride's father listed as Thomas Riley, jeweller, dead - but D also suggests elsewhere that he died in April 1860(?) He seems to be away for this census, they had two more sons by 1851. 

1841 Census:    
   
RILEY, Jane    F    25       b.Ireland    
RILEY, Eliza    F    6       b.Nottinghamshire    
RILEY, Mary A    F    5       b.Nottinghamshire    
RILEY, Charles    F    2       b.Nottinghamshire    

RG number: HO107    Piece:849    Book/Folio:22/7    Page:27     
     Registration District: East Retford    Sub District: Clareborough
   Civil Parish: Clareborough    
   Address: Spital Hill, Clareborough, Little Gringley    County:Nottinghamshire

Also had this from somewhere:
# ID: 302838993
# Name: Jane Riley
# Sex: F
# Birth: ABT 1808 in Ireland
# Death: 1884 in Retford Union Workhouse
# Note: Jane Fells died in the Retford union workhouse in 1884
# RFN: 302838993

Marriage 1 Thomas Riley b: ABT 1804 in Nottinghamshire England
Children:
 1. Eliza Riley b: 1835 in Clarborough Retford Notts
 2. Mary Ann Riley b: 24th Aug 1836 in Clarborough, Nottinghamshire, England (father named as Thos)
3. Charles Riley b: 1839 in Clarborough Retford Notts
4. Edward Riley b: 1842 in RETFORD Nottinghamshire
5. Henry Riley b: 1844 in Clarborough Retford

Marriage 2 William Fells b: 1796 in Elkesley Retford Notts

.....which is where your family tree is spliced! Is that the word?
Cheers. B

[Keith Sherwood]

Berry,
Thanks for all that wonderful information on your RILEY family!  (Whenever I see the name RILEY I'm reminded of those tragic plague RILEY graves in Eyam, Derbyshire, right on the edge of village, where a Mrs RILEY buried her husband and all her children one after the other, then apparently moved away from the village and was never heard of again)
But back to our own RILEY's, I've just looked at the 1871 Census and note that it very clearly gives Jane's address as 66, Moorgate, Clarborough, and this number in Moorgate is quite distinctly given as "George Inn Yard".  This as a rejoinder to what has been discussed earlier in the thread...
Did you say that you've never discovered Jane SEAMAN's first marriage to a Thomas RILEY, presumably some time shortly before 1835 - I must say I'm not at all sure whether I've got the marriage details of her second marriage to William FELLS either.  Will now go and check.  Please keep this dialogue going, and I'm sure we'll uncover something new pretty soon!
Regards, keith

[Gesaelig]

I'll send you a pdf of the RILEY/FELLS certificate if you need one. I'd delayed buying it but then found a price increase was due in April so decided it was essential(!) and I've shared it with a few other cousins.

Eyam - very sad place, one of my friends was a warden at the youth hostel there about 12 years ago. I wonder what kind of life that Mrs Riley lived after losing everyone......

As for yards behind pubs, my DAINES family lived at the Staff of Life yard in Norwich in 1841. That public house was licensed to a Sarah DAYNES. Strange coincidence, they were allegedly not related.

Back to the 21st century now......